A Masterpiece on the Immaculate Conception

The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8th, 2021 | Michael Pakaluk

[metmom]

Knots are the bane of anyone who sews existence.

[MHGinTN]

Try to catch the difference between denotative and connotative ... Israel the people, the nation with whom God covenanted are the only one of your choices which fits for the bringing forth of Messiah.

[MHGinTN]

Here is the un-Catholicised verse 15 of Genesis 3:

and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee -- the head, and thou dost bruise him -- the heel.' Young's Literal Translation.

[Mark17]

Israel is a prince, not a princess, and cannot be a mother.

Does the bride of Christ, contain only women, or can men get a piece of the action too?

[Mark17]

Your turn. 😀😊

[af_vet_1981]

Does the bride of Christ, contain only women, or can men get a piece of the action too?

Do you mean the "body of Christ" since The ekklēsia is never explicitly called "the bride of Christ" in the New Testament. , or do you think it is also Israel like the woman in Revelation ?

• 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

• 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
• 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
• 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

[af_vet_1981]

Here is the un-Catholicised verse 15 of Genesis 3:

Do you reject the King James Version which was quoted (and linked) ?

I thought the King James Version was an official authorized, recognized, and accepted Protestant version, rather than Young's Literal Translation or any of the modern versions.

[af_vet_1981]

Try to catch the difference between denotative and connotative ... Israel the people, the nation with whom God covenanted are the only one of your choices which fits for the bringing forth of Messiah.

To which definition of Israel are you referring ?

[Mark17]

I am referring to the marriage feast of the lamb, described in Revelation 19. The groom needs a bride. Whether you call them the body of Christ or the bride of Christ, it’s the same to me. Whether or not, the actual, physical words “bride of Christ,” are there, or not, doesn’t matter to me. Remember, the word “Trinity,” is not in the Bible, but the concept surely is. The word “Bible,” is not in the Bible, but the concept of the Bible is there. The words sola scriptura are not in the Bible, but I never go beyond what is written. By the way, that’s why I don’t accept “tradition,” as legitimate, since no one can say, specifically, what those traditions are. If they could, perhaps I might accept some of it, and reject other parts. Since I don’t know what “traditions” are, I can’t accept or reject them, till I see them. If you want to call the church the body of Christ, you can. I will also call the church the bride of Christ. We are both right.
This issue is not really all that important. What IS important, is the plan of salvation. How do you plan to stay out of the fires of hell?

[af_vet_1981]

Whether you call them the body of Christ or the bride of Christ, it’s the same to me. ...

If you want to call the church the body of Christ, you can.

From your comments and answers it seems to me this is your position:
1. The "body of Christ" and the "bride of Christ" are synonymous terms even if only one is in the scriptures verbatim.
2. The Church is the "body of Christ" and the "bride of Christ"
3. Israel is neither the "body of Christ" not the "bride of Christ"

Is that fair characterization of what you believe ?

[MHGinTN]

A yes from me, too. That is a succinct rendering well and truly stated.

[Mark17]

You may feel free to call the church whatever you want. It’s not important. Sometimes they are called the body of Christ, the bride of Christ, the children of God, the children of the kingdom, children of the King, Children of the Lord, born again believers, children of promise. I don’t care what you call believers. It’s ok. I only care about heaven of hell. You should too.
It doesn’t matter a hill of beans what you want to call believers, I just want to know, what will keep you from the fires?🔥 It doesn’t matter what you call believers, if you end up in the fires 🔥 of hell. People who end up in the flames, can say, between the flames, at least I called believers by the RIGHT name. I think that will be of little solace.
When God says, depart from me, I never knew you, he couldn’t care less, if you called true believers by a certain name. He won’t care. Stay out of hell bro. It’s no kind of future, but it awaits most of the people of the world. Do not go there bro.

[MHGinTN]

Now that you have posted an accurate rendering, be sure to think correctly on ‘the Church’. The word of God uses Ekklesia which is translated in English Church. The Ekklesia is made up of ALL those since that fateful Day of Pentecost who have come to believe in Whom God sent for their salvation. The Church is not an ORG, it is a spiritual new man. The Church is the entire body of believers throughout History whom God is coming for, to transform the living into higher dimensional variable beings, and place the spirits God brings with Jesus into new bodies and souls fit for eternal living in a physical, glorified body. God has Jesus coming for the entire Ekklesia, alive or long dead.

[MHGinTN]

The Ekklesia spiritual new man ishallmarked by the abiding of God in their human spirits. That abiding Presence of God is what is taken out of the way, to allow the evil one to bound upon the scene. You can see it predicted in chapter five of The Revelation and following. Paul wrote of it in 2nd Thess 2 and following.

I realize Catholics have been taught that there is no such thing as a pre-Trib removal of the Ekklesia, but the Bible indicates otherwise. Don't be here after the removal. It will be hell on Earth for the survivors of the chaos created by the removal of hundreds of millions of alive members of the Body of Christ new man.

[Elsie]

Many are those
who rips what they sews.

[Elsie]

Warmin’ up.

[Elsie]

You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay...

[Mark17]

https://youtu.be/ZCqh5ROtQRg

[boatbums]

The Catechism of the Roman Catholic church also refers to believers as the Bride of Christ. For example:

789 The comparison of the Church with the body casts light on the intimate bond between Christ and his Church. Not only is she gathered around him; she is united in him, in his body. Three aspects of the Church as the Body of Christ are to be more specifically noted: the unity of all her members with each other as a result of their union with Christ; Christ as head of the Body; and the Church as bride of Christ.

The Church is the Bride of Christ

796 The unity of Christ and the Church, head and members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the two within a personal relationship. This aspect is often expressed by the image of bridegroom and bride. the theme of Christ as Bridegroom of the Church was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist.234 The Lord referred to himself as the "bridegroom."235 The Apostle speaks of the whole Church and of each of the faithful, members of his Body, as a bride "betrothed" to Christ the Lord so as to become but one spirit with him.236 The Church is the spotless bride of the spotless Lamb.237 "Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her."238 He has joined her with himself in an everlasting covenant and never stops caring for her as for his own body:239

This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex persona capitis) and in his role as body (ex persona corporis). What does this mean? "The two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church."240 and the Lord himself says in the Gospel: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh."241 They are, in fact, two different persons, yet they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself "bride."242

808 The Church is the Bride of Christ: he loved her and handed himself over for her. He has purified her by his blood and made her the fruitful mother of all God's children. (https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P28.HTM)

However, the children of Israel are the Bride of the LORD. See Bible Verses about Israel, Married to God

[Elsie]

Thanks for NUTTIN!

I wandered off into a rabbit hole of vaguely linked Youtube videos, fueled by my insatiable curiosity about what lies just beyond the bend.