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A Masterpiece on the Immaculate Conception
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8th, 2021 | Michael Pakaluk

Posted on 12/08/2021 2:19:08 PM PST by MurphsLaw

s it possible for a memorandum to be a masterpiece? A few paragraphs long, dashed off ex tempore, for a friend, not polished? Various columns in TCT have appreciated masterpieces – a poem, a painting, a musical work. But could a memorandum ever be accounted a “masterpiece”?

I have in mind Newman’s “Memorandum on the Immaculate Conception” – written off by the Cardinal,” his editor says, “for Mr. R. I. Wilberforce, formerly Archdeacon Wilberforce, to aid him in meeting the objections urged by some Protestant friends against the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.”
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That’s it, “written off” – a memorandum is something written off, dashed off, tossed off.

Surely a master can “dash off” a masterpiece: witness the Gettysburg Address, a Shakespeare sonnet, a Scarlatti sonata. And so we look to Newman’s “Memorandum” without worries as truly a spiritual masterpiece.

Newman begins: “It is so difficult for me to enter into the feelings of a person who understands the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, and yet objects to it, that I am diffident about attempting to speak on the subject.” He adds, “I was accused of holding it, in one of the first books I wrote, twenty years ago. On the other hand, this very fact may be an argument against an objector – for why should it not have been difficult to me at that time, if there were a real difficulty in receiving it?”

Already, astonishing brilliance. He imagines someone raising difficulties, and his task would be to understand those difficulties and reply to them. But he can’t see any difficulties. Maybe he’s incompetent even to speak on the subject?

He turns this concern on its head. Many years ago, as a young Anglican minister, long before the pope’s definition, Newman had already come to hold that doctrine, naturally and easily. But he couldn’t have done if it had involved difficulties. So he has the requisite competence, which is to speak to the naturalness of the doctrine!

Here is that earlier passage, from the Parochial and Plain Sermons:

Who can estimate the holiness and perfection of her, who was chosen to be the Mother of Christ? If to him that hath, more is given, and holiness and divine favour go together (and this we are expressly told). . . .What must have been her gifts, who was chosen to be the only near earthly relative of the Son of God, the only one whom He was bound by nature to revere and look up to; the one appointed to train and educate Him, to instruct Him day by day, as He grew in wisdom and stature? This contemplation runs to a higher subject, did we dare to follow it; for what, think you, was the sanctified state of that human nature, of which God formed His sinless Son; knowing, as we do, that “that which is born of the flesh is flesh,” and that “none can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?”

Then come a series of devastating arguments as to why there are no difficulties in the doctrine. If there is no difficulty in saying that Eve was created without sin – if there is no risk of turning her into a deity – what is the great difficulty in saying that Mary was created without sin? If we hold that John the Baptist was cleansed of original sin in the womb, then why not Mary from an even earlier point in the womb? If there is no difficulty in saying that you and I are cleansed from original sin at some later point in our lives by baptism – if our saying so in no way detracts from the merits of the Lord – then wouldn’t Mary’s being cleansed even earlier in her life make her even more dependent on the Lord?

"We do not say that she did not owe her salvation to the death of her Son. Just the contrary, we say that she, of all mere children of Adam, is in the truest sense the fruit and the purchase of His Passion. He has done for her more than for anyone else. To others He gives grace and regeneration at a point in their earthly existence; to her, from the very beginning."

Newman then considers the antiquity of the doctrine. Why? Because “No one can add to revelation. That was given once for all; – but as time goes on, what was given once for all is understood more and more clearly.” You might wish to copy out these lines as proof of what Newman meant by “development of doctrine.” It did not allow for any new revelation. What it means, rather, is this: “The greatest Fathers and Saints in this sense have been in error, that, since the matter of which they spoke had not been sifted, and the Church had not spoken, they did not in their expressions do justice to their own real meaning.”

He focuses on the contrast between Mary and Eve in the earliest writings of the Fathers, and especially the proto-evangelion: “See the direct bearing of this upon the Immaculate Conception... There was war between the woman and the Serpent. This is most emphatically fulfilled if she had nothing to do with sin – for, so far as any one sins, he has an alliance with the Evil One.”

Newman’s masterpiece concludes: “I say it distinctly – there may be many excuses at the last day, good and bad, for not being Catholics; one I cannot conceive: ‘O Lord, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was so derogatory to Thy grace, so inconsistent with Thy Passion, so at variance with Thy word in Genesis and the Apocalypse, so unlike the teaching of Thy first Saints and Martyrs, as to give me a right to reject it at all risks, and Thy Church for teaching it. It is a doctrine as to which my private judgment is fully justified in opposing the Church’s judgment. And this is my plea for living and dying a Protestant.’”



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To: Elsie

It was carved in stone far earlier than your 19th century modernist philosophy of the pre tribulation rapture.

1800 years earlier

Recently discovered Syriac fragments of stories about the Assumption of Mary have been dated as early as the third century. And there are undoubtedly more manuscripts to be found. It must be remembered that when we are talking about these “Transitus stories,” we are not only talking about ancient manuscripts and fragments of manuscripts, but we are talking also about two different “families” of manuscripts written in nine languages. They all agree on Mary’s Assumption and they presuppose that the story was already widely known.


301 posted on 12/16/2021 7:34:40 AM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos
Additional scriptural evidence for Mary’s Assumption lies in the fact that there are at least two foreshadowings of it in the Old Testament as seen with Enoch and Elijah.

Ditto that- and I would add Moses to that as well...
as evidenced in his living, resurrected bodily presence at Christ's Transfiguration.
Albeit, not the same explicitly identical process as that of Elijah...
though an action of God's Will... just the same.

But for me, the point of common ground is not so much a Did she/ or/ Didn't she?... but from the awareness of Elisha, and the Revelation of the Queen of Heaven-
Wouldn't it be more prudent to think it vaguely possible, rather than to hold to an outright denial- which requires us sinful creatures to Bind the Will of God -absolutely- to only the explicit wording of various text translations?


302 posted on 12/16/2021 10:43:46 AM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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To: MurphsLaw

Your modern Semiramis mythical dogma is interesting to behold!


303 posted on 12/16/2021 12:41:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Your modern Semiramis mythical dogma is interesting to behold


There's nothing new... or interesting in what you say there...

I always get that from agnostic and atheist persons I run into...

304 posted on 12/16/2021 1:51:08 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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To: MurphsLaw

Show us through God’s Word that your myths are true. Can you show us scripture that plainly supports this Maridolatry.? If you can we will not call it man-madeup mythology. But if you cannot show scripture plainly supporting this Mary stuff, who is the idolator, who is the denier of truth?


305 posted on 12/16/2021 3:13:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Cronos

Do you REALLY think re-posting this is going to help your chosen religion’s additions to Christianity become accepted by those who know better?


306 posted on 12/16/2021 5:27:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
But you, Elsie, deny Christ by rejecting the True presence in the Eucharist.

You seem to skim when you read.

I reject Rome's teaching that the 'Eucharist' somehow turns into Jesus' own flesh and blood when you eat/drink it.

307 posted on 12/16/2021 5:28:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
It was carved in stone far earlier than your 19th century modernist philosophy of the pre tribulation rapture.

Dang!

You don't even SKIM!!

308 posted on 12/16/2021 5:29:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
They all agree on Mary’s Assumption and they presuppose that the story was already widely known.

Makes a rational person wonder why it took ROME so long to figger it out!

309 posted on 12/16/2021 5:30:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Makes a rational person wonder why it took ROME so long to figger it out!

Well then, "rational person" excludes you.

310 posted on 12/16/2021 5:42:50 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Elsie; Cronos
But you, Elsie, deny Christ by rejecting the True presence in the Eucharist.

I reject Rome's teaching that the 'Eucharist' somehow turns into Jesus' own flesh and blood when you eat/drink it.

That's called "rejecting the True Presence in the Eucharist".

Comprende, Elsie?

311 posted on 12/16/2021 5:55:59 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Cronos

Matthew 17:1-13

 

1 And after six days Jesus taketh unto him Peter and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow.
3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him.
6 And the disciples hearing fell upon their face, and were very much afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them: and said to them: Arise, and fear not.
8 And they lifting up their eyes, saw no one, but only Jesus.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying: Tell the vision to no man, till the Son of man be risen from the dead.
10 And his disciples asked him, saying: Why then do the scribes say that Elias must come first? 11 But he answering, said to them: Elias indeed shall come, and restore all things.
12 But I say to you, that Elias is already come, and they knew him not, But have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of man shall suffer from them.
13 Then the disciples understood, that he had spoken to them of John the Baptist.

Mark 9:1-8

2 (9-1) And after six days, Jesus taketh with him Peter and James and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves, and was transfigured before them.
3 (9-2) And his garments became shining and exceeding white as snow, so as no fuller upon earth can make white.
4 (9-3) And there appeared to them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
5 (9-4) And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. And let us make three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 (9-5) For he knew not what he said: for they were struck with fear.
7 (9-6) And there was a cloud overshadowing them. And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: This is my most beloved Son. Hear ye him.
8 (9-7) And immediately looking about, they saw no man any more, but Jesus only with them.

Luke 9:28-36

28 And it came to pass, about eight days after these words, that he took Peter and James and John and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And whilst he prayed, the shape of his countenance was altered and his raiment became white and glittering.
30 And behold two men were talking with him. And they were Moses and Elias, 31 Appearing in majesty. And they spoke of his decease that he should accomplish in Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep. And waking, they saw his glory and the two men that stood with him.
33 And it came to pass that, as they were departing from him, Peter saith to Jesus: Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses; and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
34 And as he spoke these things, there came a cloud and overshadowed them. And they were afraid when they entered into the cloud.
35 And a voice came out of the cloud; saying: This is my beloved son. Hear him.
36 And whilst the voice was uttered Jesus was found alone. And they held their peace and told no man in those days any of these things which they had seen.


312 posted on 12/16/2021 5:57:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
... from the awareness of Elisha,...

It seems that you are not 'aware' what Jesus said about John the Baptist!

313 posted on 12/16/2021 5:58:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
I always get that from agnostic and atheist persons I run into...

Now isn't that strange!!!

I get similar responses from FR Catholics!

314 posted on 12/16/2021 5:59:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
That's called "rejecting the True Presence in the Eucharist".

Yup!

This is EXACTLY what I do!

(Really aggravates ya; don't it!?)

315 posted on 12/16/2021 6:01:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Well then, "rational person" excludes you.

So; we've never debated this point.

That leaves a mighty large crowd, that does NOT need my approval, to think for themselves.

316 posted on 12/16/2021 6:03:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
(Really aggravates ya; don't it!?)

Nope. Just pointing out your diversions in not directly addressing statements.

317 posted on 12/16/2021 6:12:24 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: Elsie
So; we've never debated this point.

There's nothing to debate. It's been obvious for all to see for quite a while.

318 posted on 12/16/2021 6:15:04 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

I can see how you are an expert at this.


319 posted on 12/16/2021 6:15:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
It's been obvious for all to see for quite a while.

You make Mary sad; disobeying her Son when He says:

...call no man father...


320 posted on 12/16/2021 6:16:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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