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To: Cronos
We're Catholic I was thinking about this recently. I met a RCC over the weekend. We had a great convo. She has a lot of questions.

I have a question for you: Do you think of yourself FIRST as a Christian or as a Catholic?

You can say, "They're the same!" and run through some "logic" or "evidence" to prove your point...but play along: Which label is more important to you?

31 posted on 08/23/2021 5:27:22 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: kinsman redeemer; Cronos
Well....it's a bit like some people being ashamed to say they're an America when some loser like the current President* is in the WH.

I am a proud American always, because America transcends whoever is in the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial branches. Even when Reagan or Trump were President, my love of or fidelity for country didn't hinge on them.

The Catholic Church is similar. Just because this Pope or that Cardinal or that layperson or this priest says whatever, that doesn't change the Church that Jesus built. Men are men, and disposed to the evils that men can do. But Jesus and the Church Trimuphant remain as my Guide.

So I'm an American and a Catholic, even if the two current respective executives leave much to be desired.

33 posted on 08/23/2021 5:50:42 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: kinsman redeemer

“I have a question for you: Do you think of yourself FIRST as a Christian or as a Catholic?”

That is an excellent question. From what I read here on occasion, Catholics throw Christianity to the back seat in favor of their denomination, just as they throw Christ to the back seat in favor of a good, but completely human, woman.


76 posted on 08/24/2021 10:56:41 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (While the foundations are being destroyed, what are the righteous doing?)
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To: kinsman redeemer; Cronos; MayflowerMadam

I didn’t see your reply to KR’s question either. “Catholic” or “Christian”?

It is an important question. I’d be interested in your answer.

You should make a reply.


79 posted on 08/24/2021 11:59:44 AM PDT by Ken Regis
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To: Cronos
I hope it's not too hard for you to answer. You certainly know how to cut n' paste. Can you write an original work?

Do you know the answer? It's not that hard.

Do you think of yourself FIRST as a Christian or as a Catholic?

If I'm bothering you by asking this question, just let me know. I'll draw my own conclusion and go away.

85 posted on 08/24/2021 6:45:57 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: kinsman redeemer
What "label"? The only label that makes sense is to be a true follower of Christ - and that means someone who listens and believes when Jesus says

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.

Do YOU believe in Jesus? Do YOU follow His words in this or are you like the people who had heard his teachings for so long and followed him but rejected the Body of Christ in the Eucharist saying

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”...

66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
Is that you, kingsman redeemer a person who "turns back from Christ and no longer follows Him" because the teaching of the Eucharist is "a hard teaching"
103 posted on 08/25/2021 4:40:19 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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