Posted on 08/20/2021 1:12:40 AM PDT by Cronos
Ear flopping isn’t an insult.
It’s a reminder of peter, who on the night Jesus was arrested pulled out a sword and cut a servants ear off.
Jesus actually said
” get behind me satan”
Then healed the servants ear.
See, pride makes people think they have to work to be saved , so anyone who trusts God for their salvation , and escape from the tribulation , is a threat to their pride.
Pride.
The original sin , the first sin that got Satan booted from heaven.
Pride that puffs up.
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Of what “church” are you speaking?
The Roman Catholic church?
LOL
Amen.
Or indulgences.
Or praying for someone’s soul after they have died.
Or infant baptism.
Bottom line is this Chronos character is a clown. Has to following (he thinks FR is) has no budget (uses FR for free). Not worth responding to moron who thinks the Catholic church (the domain of pedophiles) should be the source of truth.
The money quote of the article:”“It is a tortured misreading of the biblical text that appeals to fear, racism and jingoism as substitutes for wrestling with the hard questions of Scripture.”
Jews into the promised land to replace “Palestinians” as Zionists.That’s jingoism and racism, fear is just thrown in to compound the slime.
Its hard to take this article seriously when not a single scripture is used to challenge God’s plan for His Body. Nor is an alternative provided from scripture. Its simply another man’s opinion. His bio indicates a 17 year stint as an associate pastor in a Baptist church. So for almost 20 years in the ministry (I assume some years of education in a seminary of some flavor), he never studied Paul’s writing?
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I would encourage confused folks, like the author, to get a good Bible, open to Paul’s letters written TO the Church, and expect the Holy Spirit to reveal His Truth. Paul was teaching the coming of the Lord, and meeting His Body in the air, in the 1st century. Just because it was forgotten, misunderstood, or ignored, does not make it less true. Justification by faith was another one that was quickly forgotten as Christianity devolved into religion, and the reasoning of men. Centuries later, it was rediscovered by people who put God’s Word first. Paul saw the decline already happening at the end of his ministry. In his letters to Timothy, he was already lamenting the decline - with folks turning to legends (fables, myths) and endless genealogies, which foster and promote useless speculations and questionings rather than acceptance in faith of God’s administration and the divine training that is in faith. (1 Timothy 1:4 AMP) Paul’s prediction seems to have come to fruition in the posted article.
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I’m not sure why this author wrote such a long article without really making what he suggests is his point, but discrediting himself by form. Odd.
These arguments are meaningless since Chapters 2 through -22 in Revelation were created by Lucius, the Bishop of Cyrene. He wrote almost all the New Testament scripture after the deaths of the apostles. Christ did appear to john at Patmos, but only 3-4 verses reflect John’s report of Christ’s spiritual appearance. Lucius really corrupted Revelation 1 where he created Alpha & Omega, and turned Jesus into God. Revelation 17 was inserted by someone else in the 6th or 7th century, probably after Empress Theodora died. Lucius also wrote most of the Epistles, including Thessalonians, not Paul, and the Rapture is the fiction of Lucius. Look him up on the internet; it is very disturbing news, but his antics now explain all the inconsistencies contained in the New Testament.
Thessalonians was written by Lucius, Bishop of Cyrene and so was Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. There will never be a second coming of Jesus, because he already had his second coming, so two second comings is impossible. People who believe in the Rapture and the Physical Resurrection do not understand Christianity and are caught up in the beliefs of Lucius. The Great Tribulation occurred in 70AD and is spelled out in Flavius Josephus book about the Jewish war, something Lucius had read and then inserted it into Matt 24.The Sermon on the Mount is all the wonderful fiction of Lucius which he created to make the JEWS believe that Jesus was a great PROPHET. In addition, Jesus is not the Lord, that is Lucius’ belief, but Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus himself, and all his apostles said he was a human being.
Rapture IS in the Bible. In the LATIN BIBLE used for 1600 consecutive years since the founding of the Church in Rome!
It is a translation of and from the Greek word harpazo! Which means quickly snatched up.
https://digitalshowcase.oru.edu/cotm_pub/2/
It was the same during my teen years back in the 1950s.
"Why is dancing a sin?" "It's not, if you can dance to the Glory of God. But it leads to sexual lust, not to the Glory of God."
"Why is sex wrong if God made it?" (They never answered that one.)
Yes, that always confused me. Accepting Christ's sacrifice cleanses you of sin. So there is nothing there to purge.
Thanks! Can you see a grand ballroom full of waltzing couples, and see that, or a group performing the minuet, and find that old lust just oozing all over the place?
Me,neither.
PS, they preached about divorce. I asked, “I’m divorced. What does that say about me?”
crickets, deer headlight stare ....
“Accepting Christ’s sacrifice cleanses you of sin”
Firstly, purgatory is the final stage in purification when we are purified by Christ’s sacrifice.
It isn’t biblical to say “just accept and you are cleansed” — if you read the Bible you read
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God. Yet, if we love one another, God remains in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us.
—> his love IS BROUGHT to perfection in us
James 1:4
And let perseverance be perfect, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
—> so that you MAY BE.. i.e. a process in which you are cleansed of sin
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he has made perfect forever those who are being consecrated.
—> this one seems to agree with your position, but it doesn’t say that you just accept and you are perfected. It is about the abolishing of Temple sacrifices — the temple was destroyed as Jesus predicted in the Olivet discourse and John envisioned in the book of Revelation.
Hebrews 12:23
and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heaven, and God the judge of all, and the spirits of the just made perfect,
—> note “spirits MADE perfect”
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Concluding Prayer. May the God of peace himself make you perfectly holy and may you entirely, spirit, soul, and body, be preserved blameless for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
—> May He MAKE YOU — and these are people who accepted Christ. They are living godly lives and growing in HIS love and being cleansed.
In Revelation 21:27, God tells us that nothing imperfect can enter heaven.
“but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any[one] who does abominable things or tells lies.”
Only those with no blemishes on their souls immediately enter heaven. Those who have not repented and confessed their mortal sins will go to hell. Seeing as how, when we die, many of us will not fit in either of those two extreme categories we must fit somewhere else, somewhere in the middle called purgatory.
The majority of people are neither so free from sin and attachment to sin as to gain immediate entrance into heaven, nor so attached to sin and unrepentant as to be punished forever in hell.
Those people who have repented and confessed their sins will likely go THROUGH purgatory on their way to heaven to be purged removing the temporal effects of sin so that the soul is clean enough to enter heaven.
The poster of this thread is best defined as a heretic, a Catholic heretic. He is obsessed with John Nelson Darby, and ignoring Paul; the Apostle and a few early church fathers as well as the Dead Sea Scroolols of the Essenes.
The word rapture is in the Bible, but not the 19th century philosophy of the rapture.
Note that the point is QUICKLY snatched up - and in 1 Thess 4 we have
1. [15] For the Lord himself shall come down from heaven with commandment, and with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead who are in Christ, shall rise first.
—> THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT SECRET. So the secret rapture story is non-biblical. We’re going to hear a big noise
2. [12] And we will not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that are asleep, that you be not sorrowful, even as others who have no hope. [13] For if we believe that Jesus died, and rose again; even so them who have slept through Jesus, will God bring with him.
and
[16] Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord.
—> WE’RE ALWAYS WITH THE LORD - not whisked away while he creates an earthly kingdom — btw, remember
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom does not belong to this world
and a little further
1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
—> NOTE: TWINKLING of an eye - a fraction of a second.
The snatched away is at the second coming, there is no pre tribulation rapture creation of a separate kingdom of Jews under Jesus.
Jesus is ALREADY King of the world and has been since 33 AD when He defeated Satan
6 [a]When they could not find them, they dragged Jason and some of the brothers before the city magistrates, shouting, “These people who have been creating a disturbance all over the world have now come here, 7 and Jason has welcomed them. They all act in opposition to the decrees of Caesar and claim instead that there is another king, Jesus.”
The Rapture is no lie. The timing as before the man of sin is unrestrained is no lie (2 Thess 2), and the truth of dispensations is attested by Paul the Apostle. The author of this devilish essay is The Lie at work.
Nah, a heretic is defined as “a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.”
That would be the 19th century pre tribulation rapture and the dispensationalism philosophy.
These are not what Christians have ever believed before the 19th century.
The Dead Sea Scrolls of the Essenes - btw, those were another 2nd temple Jewish sect. And the Essenes didn’t hold to the pre tribulation rapture phantasy
You lie. You have been shown the evidence of the pretrib notion in some of the early church fathers’ writings/sermons. Yet you CHOOSE to continue this lie. That make you a purposed LIAR>
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