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To: daniel1212
Invalidate your non-sequitur word-bomb "reproof"?

wouldn't think of it!!
You ignore history. You ignore the damage that HAS ALREADY taken root, and have acquiesced toward a secular, non- Christian society.. You ignore Scripture as it suits you...

"For if he fails to listen to them, tell it to The CHURCH... if he fails then to LISTEN TO THE CHURCH let him be to you as PAGAN or Tax Collector."

Spin that twenty different ways as you like- you CANNOT change the fact that CHRIST promised and left us that CHURCH - warts and all- with hierarchical succession and administration. You ignore that St. Peter went to ROME to challenge and replace the pagan disease that ruled the world back then with a NEW Covenant. It was the role of the Church that settled disputes and battled the heresies that would try to prevail.

That Christendom was diminished and ultimately killed off in favor of a secularly controlled governance in this world indisputably lays at the feet of those who WANTED to see Chistendom divided and diminished...as the diabulous has desired it so.

That you cannot see the interconnectedness between historical evidence that has lead to this dysfunctional world, obviously allows you to think this is what Christ intended for us all along...
95 posted on 08/05/2021 3:23:49 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned")
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To: MurphsLaw

I challenge you to prove that Peter EVER went to Rome. We know Paul stood trial there twice. “Ignore the FACT that Peter went to Rome to challenge and replace the pagan disease that ruled the world back then with a New Covenant.”, you claim. Prove that claim.
This is why the church practically lies in ruins. Just throwing out traditions, teachings, doctrines of men that can NOT be substantiated by God’s word.
THAT is our final authority, not a church. Truth is hidden under piles of man’s false, fickle, feckless opinions. Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


97 posted on 08/05/2021 4:34:33 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON. OR THE MASK)
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To: MurphsLaw
"Invalidate your non-sequitur word-bomb "reproof"? wouldn't think of it!!"

That is obvious, for I searched the rest of your response for an actual interaction and rebuttal to what I said only to find non-sequitur assertions, as if i actually argued that the church was not necessary, and had not shown you before that SS materially provides for " synods and councils, ministerially to determine controversies of faith, and cases of conscience; to set down rules and directions for the better ordering of the public worship of God," (Westminster Confession XXXI) which you ignore, as is typical, as well as the argument that it is Rome as being the sure and supreme standard that is what is untenable, versus Scriptural authority.

And likewise ignoring the testimony that those who most strongly esteemed as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God, with its basic literal hermeneutic, have long testified to being far more conservative and unified in polled core beliefs and values (thus voting about 80% for Republican Presidential candidates) than Catholics overall, whom Rome manifestly considers to be members, you still resort to invoking the example of those who do not hold to Scripture as being the authority as an argument against doing so!

One thing though about your vain parroted argumentation is that it is an argument against being a Catholic. Your silence would be wise.

110 posted on 08/06/2021 3:59:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: MurphsLaw
You ignore Scripture as it suits you...

1. Call no man father...
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3. YAda, yada, yada...
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123 posted on 08/06/2021 4:40:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
Context is our friend.

Well, at least a Prot's friend...


"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

(Matthew 18:15-18 RSV)

124 posted on 08/06/2021 4:42:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw

You ignore that St. Peter went to ROME...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=St.+Peter+went+to+ROME&ia=web


125 posted on 08/06/2021 4:45:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
you CANNOT change the fact that CHRIST promised and left us that CHURCH - warts and all- with hierarchical succession and administration.

Yeah, sure...


Call no man father.

126 posted on 08/06/2021 4:48:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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