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To: boatbums
So, either we are saved by the grace of God THROUGH faith and not works or we are saved by works (e.g., being good, obeying the commandments, etc.).

While I don't agree with Phillie's position, you keep putting this incorrect example.

You are "saved" by grace in the same way that a drowning man is saved by someone throwing a rescue buoy at him. However the drowning man still has to move towards the buoy and not away from it.

The drowning man was saved by the rescuer but still had to grab the rescue buoy, move towards the rescue buoy and not away.

277 posted on 08/16/2021 7:33:13 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos
You are "saved" by grace in the same way that a drowning man is saved by someone throwing a rescue buoy at him. However the drowning man still has to move towards the buoy and not away from it. The drowning man was saved by the rescuer but still had to grab the rescue buoy, move towards the rescue buoy and not away.

No, rather it is you who keeps putting an "incorrect example". The drowning man grabbing hold of the rescue buoy is in the same way that a lost sinner comes to saving faith in Jesus Christ as his redeemer, rescuer and savior. He doesn't then need to swab the decks, empty the bilge and stay onboard as a slave the rest of his life or he gets kicked off the boat into the briny deep again! NOBODY has claimed Christ will still save someone who doesn't want to be saved. We are told to BELIEVE, to RECEIVE, to COME UNTO HIM in order to have eternal life.

293 posted on 08/16/2021 8:08:39 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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