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To: usconservative
Born, raised & married in the Catholic Church.

But later...

That is the church both my ex and I were baptized in and where my journey began.

So you and your ex-wife were baptized twice? Why?

79 posted on 06/23/2021 4:26:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Because being baptized at birth doesn't make us born again as the Bible instructs us that we must be.

We're also not at the age of accountability as a newborn to choose Jesus. No one can make that choice for us. We have to do it ourselves. The Bible is clear on that.

That's why.

82 posted on 06/23/2021 5:05:20 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ebb tide

Please don’t ask questions before you tell your conversion story.


106 posted on 06/23/2021 7:19:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide; usconservative
"So you and your ex-wife were baptized twice? Why?"

Because the stated requirement for baptism is wholehearted repentant faith, and with the subjects of that ordinance being indicated (where there is much of any description) as being those who could believe = understand and respond, and with regeneration being by heart-purifying effectual faith as is shown in baptism (thus the promise to those who would be):

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. (Acts 8:12)

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Acts 8:36-37)

And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. (Acts 9:17-18)

Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God... To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:33,43-47)

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)

And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us. (Acts 16:14-15)

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Acts 16:31-33)

And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. (Acts 18:8)

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:4-5)

" But what exactly is your criteria for the “age of accountability”? Is it twelve years old, 26 years old?"

You should know such cannot be exact, but is when one is at least morally accountable:

Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. (Isaiah 7:15-16)

" So what happens to your child if he/she dies before reaching your “age of accountability”. Does your child goes to Hell? "

No, as one of the most repeated Truths of the Bible is that God does not punish others for the guilt of their fathers (and Hell is punishment), even though we do experience effects of the actions of others, for good or evil:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20; cf. ; De 24:16; 1Ki 14:13; 2Ki 14:6; 22:18-20; 2Ch 25:4 Jer 31:29,30)

It is baptized but unconverted souls that go to Hell

That appears to be an excuse to justify abortion.

No, that is not logical. Just because martyrs for Christ are rewarded in eternity does not justify making them such.

"t's not in front of my mind and it's no leap at all. But then again, I don't have an ex-wife and I don't blow off infanticide."

It is a leap of illogic to argue that since something good comes out of evil then it encourages the latter. And which is akin to what Paul rebukes (For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just: Romans 3:7-8)

It is also a leap of illogic to conclude that usconservative is blowing off infanticide, but as with your snide reference to an ex-wife such is just another troll-like unwarranted ad hominem spitwad in lieu of an actual argument.

129 posted on 06/24/2021 6:28:39 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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