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Why The Septuagint Is Superior To The Masoretic Text
6/7/2021 | Its All Over Except...

Posted on 06/07/2021 5:23:12 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

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Secondly, sure, we all know that men and women having relations the normal way would be a sign from God. /sarcsam.

Christians: But OUR god is the SON of G-d! (Like the Greeks and Romans do... but like, without Zeus seizing maidens)

Jews: Do you even read Hebrew braugh?


21 posted on 06/07/2021 8:16:21 PM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: chajin

St. Paul said divisions would come to ferret out the true from the false.

There were divisions during (proto Gnostics versus the Apostles, etc) and even after the the Apostolic Age and even worse Gnostics then. Then the Arians, etc.

Alas, if the Pharisees, Sadducees, the Tannaim, and Masoretes after them would have just done the right thing and accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior this would be a moot point. And if the Masoretes hadn’t been heretics and did their own thing creating corrupt texts, again this would be a moot point.

The skeptics? They’ve been around a long time. They argued well over a century ago the Hittites historical existence was fantasy, thus the story of the Hittites being in the land when Abraham came in was false, thus the story of Abraham also was false.

When archaeological discoveries proved the existence of the Hittites in the Levant, both in and outside of Palestine, they, like skeptics today, refuse to believe and repent and mive on to ongoing unbelief. Jesus raised the dead and they in His time refused to believe.


22 posted on 06/07/2021 8:20:03 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: BipolarBob

“If the King James version was good enough for the Apostles and Paul, it’s good enough for me.”

ha ha nicely played.


23 posted on 06/07/2021 8:21:50 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Phinneous

You have no substantive retort for I or AndtheBear so you trot that tired, old nonsense out.

Secondly, why say “Jews: ...”?

Do you speak for them?


24 posted on 06/07/2021 8:25:31 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: plain talk

Yes, the KJV is dashed.

Nicely played indeed.


25 posted on 06/07/2021 8:26:46 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Wrong


26 posted on 06/07/2021 8:52:03 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Its All Over Except ...
All quotes from the Old Testament that are found in the New Testament come from the Greek translation (called the Septuagint) of the original Hebrew text. This is because Greek was the language most people understood when the New Testament was written. Later it was translated again into English for our use. Every time a document passes through a language its original meaning changes somewhat, due to the differences in languages.

Obviously, the fewer languages a document has to pass through the closer its final meaning will be with the original intent. Since the Old Testament part of your Bible is translated directly into English from Hebrew, it’s always a good idea to compare a New Testament quote with the Old Testament passage from which it was taken to see what, if any, differences you find. Most of the time the differences are insignificant, but sometimes they can be quite noticeable.

27 posted on 06/07/2021 8:56:13 PM PDT by MAAG (They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Why not ask where I get the chutzpah to speak for all Christians?


28 posted on 06/07/2021 8:56:16 PM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: chajin
So how do we get past the scholarly controversies without discounting them, but recognizing that practically any of the above texts can bring people to Christ because it is the living Spirit that draws the unbeliever through the living Word?

Well for the truly skeptical in the sense that they are careful and reserved about jumping to conclusions, we have no worries. Such a person has a good idea of when they only have a superficial knowledge of something and resist going off on tangents with half baked understandings.

For those who simply see religion in particular as something that is not to be taken seriously, then I think it is foolish to take their evaluation seriously. Rather we should just be real with each other, and not patronize them by second guessing what they are thinking about what we say. Nobody likes to feel like they are being "sold" something. People instinctively trust people that are just being straight up over people that seem to be second guessing how others will take what they say.

29 posted on 06/07/2021 8:56:17 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Bookmark


30 posted on 06/07/2021 9:16:32 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Phinneous

The Christian definition of Jesus’s worship is not the same as the Greek Hercules.

Jesus as viewed by Christians is part of the One God in the way your voice is part of you yet not you as an entity.

This is not comparable to Zeus vs Heracles


31 posted on 06/07/2021 9:20:31 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

In which century was that theology hammered out?


32 posted on 06/07/2021 9:25:52 PM PDT by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: ducttape45

Wow. What a substantive, powerful retort from you.


33 posted on 06/07/2021 10:46:45 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: Its All Over Except ...
I just wanted to say I agree with you and God bless for having the stamina to tackle this subject. I've learned so much from my copy of the Septuagint. I have one question you might know that I've never gotten a satisfactory answer for.

Why was Maccabees removed from the KJV and left out of later translations? It seems it was in the KJV as late as the 1800's then dropped. I've gotten 50 different answers but most make no sense. Everything from saving paper and ink to the British wanting to hide it from the unruly colonists talking revolution. What say you?

34 posted on 06/07/2021 10:50:02 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: MAAG

Since the Dead Sea Scrolls contain not only Paleo and Square Hebrew scrolls but also Septuagint, we can compare the far more ancient Paleo with the MT, the far more ancient Square Hebrew with the MT, and both with the MT, and in a plethora of plethora of areas, many in key areas, they agree separately and together against the MT.

And given several are passages that deal with the Lord and Savior Jesus Crust and given the Masoretes had an anti-Christ agenda and were working with corrupted scrolls, we toss the MT now.


35 posted on 06/07/2021 10:54:05 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: Phinneous

Why should I cupcake, when neither I nor anyone else has had the temerity to say “Christians: ...” as you did when you said “Jews: ...”?

And why should I when you still haven’t responded to AndTheBear or I from our initial replies to you as you keep flailing and deflecting time and again?

See, here’s how it goes: I believe Moses existed. But even before I was a believer, I knew he lived a long time before Jesus Christ did, and knew there is far, far less evidence he existed than Jesus Christ existed thus therefore far less likelihood that supernatural occurences were occurring on Mount Sinai and that God appeared to Moses than there was God speaking from the mountain top where Jesus and His disciples went up on and where Mosra and Elijah appeared. Ergo, both considered, more likely God and Jesus on the mountain top together was far more likely.

So in the end, it takes a special kind of clueless to believe in Moses but not in Jesus Christ on these matters.


36 posted on 06/07/2021 11:07:38 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: Phinneous

In what language was the Dialogue “hammered” out by God?

Egyptian Hieroglyphs?

Proto-Sinaitic script?

Paleo Hebrew?

Square Hebrew was a a long number years in the future as moreso for Vowelled Masoretic.

And highly doubtful that Paleo Hebrew was used as there is zero proof its use stretches back to the 15th or 16th centuries BC.

So it’s either Egyptian Hieroglyphs or Proto-Sinaitic script as the people would have been able to understand them as well as the scriptures declare Moses was schooled in all the ways of the Egyptians.

Or did God not use Egyptian Hieroglyphs or Proto Sinaitic and instead use a language no one could understand? Your choice, genius.


37 posted on 06/07/2021 11:18:02 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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To: Its All Over Except ...
I mostly use the New American Standard Bible 1995, along side of the NIV.

Followed by Strong's.

38 posted on 06/08/2021 12:39:30 AM PDT by MAAG (They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever)
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To: Phinneous

*Decalogue

What language did God “hammer” it out in?


39 posted on 06/08/2021 2:39:02 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ... (If You Haven't Realized You Are In Clooo Much Time At The Ci)
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Cronos The Christian definition of Jesus’s worship is not the same as the Greek Hercules.
Jesus as viewed by Christians is part of the One God in the way your voice is part of you yet not you as an entity.
This is not comparable to Zeus vs Heracles

Phinneous : In which century was that theology hammered out?

In the 1st century - before the destruction of Jerusalem. That's why:

  1. these Jesus-movement Jews (they only took on the exonym Christians after the destruction of Jerusalem and more surely after the Kitos war) were still meeting in Jewish synagogues and considered heretics by the Pharisees, but as another sect of Jews by the non-Pharisee Jews

  2. They staunchly rejected any separation from the monotheism of Judaism - Gnostics came later

Note that Rabbinical Judaism's theology also dates from the latter half of the 1st century with Rabbi Yohannan ben Zakkai, but was fleshed out in the period from 70 AD to the 8th century in Baghdad.

40 posted on 06/08/2021 2:57:39 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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