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Salvation is a free gift of God - Have confidence you are saved!
Teleios ^ | Teleios

Posted on 03/31/2021 8:42:15 AM PDT by Teleios Research

Be convinced of these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26)


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; gospel; salvation
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To: GardenerForLife

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...Jesus will not give salvation to anyone that has not done the works they were commanded to do.

Ok; just what are those, for the church at Rome seems to require MORE than what Jesus referred to.


What MUST we do...?


Matthew 22:35-40

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


81 posted on 04/01/2021 4:23:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Yeller
If you try to save yourself by works, you’ll end up at the Great White Throne, because you have chosen to be judged by the law, in which all have failed, except for One.

The why I read it in Revelation; we'll ALL end up there!

82 posted on 04/01/2021 4:25:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
If someone is apparently secure in what they believe, I doubt that they'll take the time to look up references given on FR.

That's why I usually tend to supply the necessary Scriptures right here.

It really helps me to re-read and re-post them, and, it removes just one more excuse they can use at that GWT thingy we are jabbering about.

83 posted on 04/01/2021 4:28:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
False Religion sends more people to hell than probably anything else.

I imagine that 'True' religion does the same.

84 posted on 04/01/2021 4:29:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw

Matthew 23:1-11

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.


Since there is NO referrence that PETER was ever called FATHER Peter, how on earth did this practice get started???


Seems to me the RCC leaders should be called Servant So-and-So instead of Father So-and-So.

85 posted on 04/01/2021 4:37:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Texas_Guy
You need to read what St. Paul says about that.

Then post it!


86 posted on 04/01/2021 4:38:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Texas_Guy
Sometimes protestants throw out Catholic teaching just because it is Catholic.

Sometimes Catholics adhere to Catholic teaching just because it is Catholic.

87 posted on 04/01/2021 4:40:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SouthernClaire
So, you’re saying that Jesus didn’t mean for those words of His to be taken literally?

Well, if you're gonna pick and choose which are literal and which ain't, I know that I'd like to see the sematical rule that applies, instead of merely claiming: Rome says so.
 
 

Matthew 23:16-18, 24, 26, 33
 16.  Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
  24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
  26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
  33.  You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Mark 7: 27
 "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 
 

88 posted on 04/01/2021 4:49:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I think I've found Waldo!

(Or else a crowd of Biden voters at the DNC)

89 posted on 04/01/2021 4:54:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GardenerForLife
"Salvation is not given until the judgement."

Biblical.
 

I guess John didn't know what the heck he was talking about!
 
1 John 2:12-14, 21, 25-26
 
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning.
   I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one.
   I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning.
   I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
 
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
 
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
 
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
 

90 posted on 04/01/2021 5:05:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Texas_Guy
Listen to a protestant whose religion popped up 1500 years after Christ, and even they can’t agree with each other?!

No. I’ll stick with the original Christians- the Catholic Church.

HMMMmmm... I see.



“And I say to thee: Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.”

 

The Holy SeeCatechism of the Catholic Church

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER TWO
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD

The Good News: God has sent his Son

422 'But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.'1 This is 'the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God':'2 God has visited his people. He has fulfilled the promise he made to Abraham and his descendants. He acted far beyond all expectation - he has sent his own 'beloved Son'.3

423 We believe and confess that Jesus of Nazareth, born a Jew of a daughter of Israel at Bethlehem at the time of King Herod the Great and the emperor Caesar Augustus, a carpenter by trade, who died crucified in Jerusalem under the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of the emperor Tiberius, is the eternal Son of God made man. He 'came from God',4 'descended from heaven',5 and 'came in the flesh'.6 For 'the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. . . And from his fullness have we all received, grace upon grace.'7

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9


91 posted on 04/01/2021 5:19:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
I will stick with 2000 years of teachings of Jesus from His Catholic Church

I'm sure you would have fit right in with one of those CATHOLIC congregations found in the first three chapters of Revelation.

92 posted on 04/01/2021 5:28:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Why??

WAY!!


93 posted on 04/01/2021 5:29:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
  the Catechism of the Catholic Church” 

881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the “rock” of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. “The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head.” This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church’s very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.

882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.” “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”

883 “The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter’s successor, as its head.” As such, this college has “supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff.”


HMMMmmm...   I wonder which 'rule' takes precedence over the other?

94 posted on 04/01/2021 5:32:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

End of ELSIEthon


95 posted on 04/01/2021 5:32:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

Again, you make protestant claims in a boastful way.

Apparently, you ignore the Bible. Seems like some protestants only consider the parts of the Bible that agrees with their point of view.

New Testament reference to the theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests is Paul’s statement, “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

May you find and believe in God’s Truth and not the protestant viewpoint.


96 posted on 04/01/2021 5:34:14 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: Elsie
The designation of a person who sheperds a human flock... whether it be Fr., Bishop, Pastor etc. Is an ancient reference of distinction in the vein of St. Paul's missionary identity...

"For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."

Which for 1900 years we knew that when St. PAUL proclaimed himself a Father to his converts, it was not a biological reference - nor one that was usurping the glory of God the Father in Heaven.
97 posted on 04/01/2021 5:36:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“But now if you have a purse, take it.. and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.“)
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To: Elsie

Yes heresies have been with the Catholic church from the beginning.

Like Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church does not force anyone to remain in the Church or to believe God’s Truth.

Everyone has the opportunity to follow Satan’s heresies.

May you find God’s Truth in the Catholic Church and not protestant heresy.


98 posted on 04/01/2021 5:51:46 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: Elsie

Would I be correct in assuming, that you will remain outside the Catholic Church? 😁


99 posted on 04/01/2021 6:14:01 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: GardenerForLife

100% correct


100 posted on 04/01/2021 6:35:55 AM PDT by Philsworld
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