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To: Elsie
The designation of a person who sheperds a human flock... whether it be Fr., Bishop, Pastor etc. Is an ancient reference of distinction in the vein of St. Paul's missionary identity...

"For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."

Which for 1900 years we knew that when St. PAUL proclaimed himself a Father to his converts, it was not a biological reference - nor one that was usurping the glory of God the Father in Heaven.
97 posted on 04/01/2021 5:36:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“But now if you have a purse, take it.. and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.“)
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To: MurphsLaw
... I became your father through the gospel."

NOT through the teaching of the church at Rome.

136 posted on 04/01/2021 1:54:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
The designation of a person who sheperds a human flock... whether it be Fr., Bishop, Pastor etc. Is an ancient reference of distinction in the vein of St. Paul's missionary identity...

Except some are sanctioned by the bible and some are not...Want to guess which ones are not???
But really...You care to share some of those ancient references of distinction in the vein of Paul's missionary identity in the bible...I don't remember seeing any...In fact,

Mat 23:11  But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 

Luk 22:24  And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 
Luk 22:25  And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 
Luk 22:26  But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 
Luk 22:27  For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 
..(NOT as one who looks for a title of distinction...)

And that is what you teach Catholics and are trying to hoodwink us into believing...

I did find one example tho...Is this to what you are referring???

Act 8:9  But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 
Act 8:10  To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
  Act 8:11  And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Looks like the first Catholic Father...

"For though you might have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers. Indeed, in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel."Which for 1900 years we knew that when St. PAUL proclaimed himself a Father to his converts, it was not a biological reference - nor one that was usurping the glory of God the Father in Heaven.

You told us what it wasn't but you didn't tell us what it was...

What's funny is you Catholics will single out a verse or even part of a verse, and build on it...You rely completely on your human wisdom (human philosophy)...Paul had a couple of things to say about that...I think Paul even instructed us to study the scriptures, not, human philosophy...

1Co 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 
1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

Job 32:21  Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. 

1Co 9:1  Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? 
1Co 9:2  If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

  1Pe 1:23  Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 
Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 
Gal 4:7  Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. 

Gal 4:19  My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, 

2Co 6:13  Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

You might notice that Paul always referenced the real father as God...Paul taught and spoke to these people as a father would speak to his children, while at the same time telling us and everyone else to 'Call No Man Father' to make sure someone didn't get the false idea that anyone held a religious person in some sort of distinction...Your Catholic priest hold such a high distinction it is taught that they turn into Jesus himself at confession and at your Mass services...That's a no no...

A little bit of bible clears up a whole mess of things...

148 posted on 04/01/2021 2:44:11 PM PDT by Iscool
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