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Salvation is a free gift of God - Have confidence you are saved!
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Posted on 03/31/2021 8:42:15 AM PDT by Teleios Research

Be convinced of these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26)


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; gospel; salvation
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To: Philsworld

Never read Darby. I believe Paul John and Daniel - I believe you have heard of them? Call them fables at your own risk


301 posted on 04/03/2021 8:09:59 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: SouthernClaire

In some ways it is worse now. In Noah’s day men did not have the scientific and technological advances to create the monstrosities we are capable of now


302 posted on 04/03/2021 8:11:17 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: SouthernClaire

We have to excuse Phil. He is under the deception that the Rapture doctrine begin with Pastor Darby. He is unable to learn about the well documented sermons from ECFs prior to the Constantine takeover of the Body of Christ Believers, or the few sermons which came after that takeover that defied the Augustinian allegorizing of the Bible after the Alexandrian School of Bible translation. For Phil, the old saw is so true ... ignorance is bliss. The cult mind needs the rut to follow.


303 posted on 04/03/2021 8:11:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mom MD

I’m not so sure of that, Mom. The fallen Angels had technologies ghat altered the genetic codes of animals and plants. And it had to be pretty blasphemous because God wiped out the entire planet except for eight souls!


304 posted on 04/03/2021 8:18:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

i’m glad we will not have to live through either to make a comparison. No doubt both are horrific


305 posted on 04/03/2021 8:25:52 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mom MD; SouthernClaire; MHGinTN
In some ways it is worse now. In Noah’s day men did not have the scientific and technological advances to create the monstrosities we are capable of now

I am not so sure about that mom. They had lots of scientific and technological advances in the days of Noah. There were lots of monstrosities in those days too. The Nephilim roamed the earth in those days. They were true, walking abominations, who I believe were eating people. There was also genetic engineering going on. I believe the ante diluvian world was FAR FAR more evil than most of us think. It was EVIL enough, that God had to wipe out the Nephilim and the monstrosities they engineered, by the Flood. I believe the ante diluvian world, was by far, the most horrible period in human history. I do believe, however, that the tribulation period, will probably be worse, than the ante diluvian world.

306 posted on 04/03/2021 9:02:20 AM PDT by Mark17 (US Air Force, retired. It was a long 20 years. )
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To: Mom MD

Never read Darby. I believe Paul John and Daniel - I believe you have heard of them? Call them fables at your own risk


Darby read Paul, John, and Daniel too. He also listened to Macdonald and Irving. And, I’m sure he read Ribera (the author of Jesuit Futurism). Then he came up with what is the farthest thing from the truth, the pre trib rapture theory, which is believed by the majority of Christians. Fables.


307 posted on 04/03/2021 9:06:28 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

A cult is a limited time, esoteric group. Your pre tribulation rapture philosophy which is of the 19th century just like the Adventist philosophy, fits the bill of a cult.

Reading you pre tribulation rapture folks Duke it out with another 19th century philosophy cult is very engrossing.


308 posted on 04/03/2021 9:07:18 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: MHGinTN

The ECF’s were HISTORICISTS, and so were the Protestant Reformers. The Reformers told Ribera and the Catholic Church to take a hike and don’t come back, Jack. What did the Catholic Church do after the Reformers ALL accused them of being the Antichrist power? THEY CAME OUT WITH THE JESUIT THEORY OF FUTURISM, to deflect criticism (also preterism). “nope, it can’t be us....either the Antichrist came before us, or at the end of the world” “nope, not us” “we are not the Antichrist power” (they really are, however) And you believe them MHGinTN (Southernclaire too). You have got to be a moron to think that Satan wouldn’t come up with this theory to deflect who the real Antichrist really is. You are in big trouble son, with your doctrinal origami.


309 posted on 04/03/2021 9:18:06 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Cronos
I wonder, if approximately 30 million alive residents of America suddenly disappear from whatever they are doing, how many are piloting airplanes, driving semis, engineering trains, guiding boats, piloting ships, operating heavy equipment, polishing their firetrucks, checking with dispatch from their police cruisers, cooking or serving meals, running forklifts in large grocery chains, etc.? What happens to that machinery, or manning the airport towers?

Who will man the water pumps and home gas distribution centers?

What will happen to the unmanned or confused directions monitoring the electric grid? How many surgeries will suddenly be without the surgeon or nurses and anesthesiologists, or patients undergoing surgery?

Who will clear the horrendous array of train and highway crashes? Who will go erect power lines downed by crashes of unmanned cars, trucks, SUVs, and semis?

Who will be in the streets of city chaos to prevent murders and riots and rampant panic with deliveries to the city markets?

For we who are suddenly no longer in this four dimensional realm, transformed int he twinkling of an eye existing in a greater set of space and time variables the experience will breathtaking in wonder.

For those not gathered to Him the scene will be a growing hell on earth, for a while, until the antichrist leaps into action with his all signs and lying wonders powers from satan.

If someone who does not believe there is coming a sudden gathering to Christ event, and they have been trusting in Grace plus their works, as if GOD Who created the entire Universe and holds it in delicate balance needs their works or would even have an accounting to check their earnings, the sudden Departure will beg for a strong delusion to believe the horrific chaos is a good thing. ... And they will get it!

310 posted on 04/03/2021 9:35:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Philsworld
Here's your sign, Phil:

"You shall not surely die" ... "God is not going to remove you before His wrath is poured out by Jesus opening the seven sealed scroll"

311 posted on 04/03/2021 9:37:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Aren’t you going to be surprised when you’re here on this earth for all of it.


312 posted on 04/03/2021 10:29:24 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; MHGinTN; Mom MD

Go take a nap and come back to find I’m a moron!

That’s ok, though. I’m sure Enoch was laughed at if he told others God was going to take him alive.

Elijah. He was probably asking if he could get some fire sent down for those who mocked him when he said that God was coming for him, too.

And let’s not forget Philip.

Have fun laughing, Phil.

But while you’re laughing, remember the man-child who was caught up to God’s throne also.

As far your post regarding Ribera, keep it. We’ve all got the dam* thing memorized already.


313 posted on 04/03/2021 1:00:28 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Mom MD

It’s a weird time to be alive, for sure, Mom.

I often think of the creatures man is going to be able to “create” and how easy it’ll be to do so. I won’t be shocked if I find out they’re already doing it with gene splicing (? I hope I have that right :-) ).


314 posted on 04/03/2021 1:05:56 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: Philsworld

Apply that to yourself, Phil, and please, don’t accept the mark no matter how hungry you are.


315 posted on 04/03/2021 1:29:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mark17

“I believe the ante diluvian world was FAR FAR more evil than most of us think. It was EVIL enough, that God had to wipe out the Nephilim and the monstrosities they engineered, by the Flood.”

Good stuff, Mark. I was watching videos about the pyramids once. I was fascinated by them but never felt comfortable about them. People get excited about them but I’m not too sure that most people got all “whoop-whoopty-do” about them at time. Well, I ran into a Chuck Missler snippet in which he stated that when he visited the pyramids that he got physically sick. I kind of understood.

Many years later I ran into one of the best teachings Bro. Chuck ever did. I think it’s titled, “10 Prehistoric Monuments” and what he related regarding the pyramids blew me away. He ended it all with saying to be very careful of too much curiosity in such things because they could very well be satanic in nature. 10 Prehistoric Monuments is audio only, no video. If you ever come across it, listen to it. And “The Fulcrum of the Entire Universe” is probably his best ever. It’s also entirely audio.


316 posted on 04/03/2021 2:00:53 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

Missler in early years, the audio you mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwRGczKvKw


317 posted on 04/03/2021 2:25:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

“He is under the deception that the Rapture doctrine begin with Pastor Darby.”

I don’t know how many times this lie of the rapture doctrine began with Darby has been clear-as-day shown to be a lie. I would say “shown to be false” but it’s been shown to be a lie so many times over and over again to the same people who keep lying about it. They’re not committing a mistake to keep posting the false idea, but rather a lie since they’ve been corrected so many times.

(Is lying breaking a commandment?)


318 posted on 04/03/2021 2:27:33 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you so much, MHG! You are wonderful!


319 posted on 04/03/2021 2:28:54 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire

Chuck Missler was great. Good videos on the Nephilim. Did they build the pyramids and other things, which could not be built today? I don’t know, but it’s interesting.


320 posted on 04/03/2021 3:30:46 PM PDT by Mark17 (US Air Force, retired. It was a long 20 years. )
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