Posted on 03/31/2021 8:42:15 AM PDT by Teleios Research
Be convinced of these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26)
Gardener, if you spend some time getting to know Paul’s letters a little better, you will see that the Church is not in your quoted text nor could it be. It does a world of good to know right division and to know what a unique, one-time organism the Church is in God’s program.
So you are ashamed of your cult so you will not tell us to which one you have ‘matriculated’?
Which cult are you representing at FR in your 'stealth' mode?
My sole boast is in Christ my Lord.
As per usual, you engage in personal attacks instead of addressing the point that the ancient church fathers believed in salvation by grace through faith.
Your implicit admission of your wrongness is appreciated.
“Most people build their own mental borders and are deathly afraid to go beyond those.”
Indeed, Roman. In addition, there are the false teachings of people’s particular organizations that are based on fear (no salvation if you do such and such and don’t do such and such) that keeps them from learning the truth that is opposed to their long held false beliefs.
religious people say Lord Lord, hes talking about being sincere, most religious people are doing things by works but have no relationship with God.
also- of course just saying words means nothing, many people say they love the Lord, but our fruits bear witness.
read first John.
how do you explain I Corinthians 6: where we are called the temple of the living God? when does this happen? after we are dead? I dont think so, it happens when we call on Jesus to save us, its not that hard, if Jesus tells us to think like a child to get saved, hes telling this to religious people, who like to add things and make knowing God difficult. Im thankful the Lord saved me as a 9 year old child, when I went and talked to my mother about desiring to go to heaven because the holy spirit was convicting me- which he does everybody- and i asked the Lord to save me and ive been saved ever since!
Apparently, thin skinned protestants can’t defend their man-man theories without blaming the Catholic faith.
Your comment: “I never ignore the Holy Words of My King Jesus The Christ.”
So then you believe that in John 6:53 Jesus tells us to eat His Body and drink His Blood is true food and drink for our salvation. I doubt it.
I would say you parrot the words of Satan and are more sinful than the unproven accusations that you made.
I think that you should study the Catholic faith and then try to prove that it is false. Many have tried, none have succeed.
If I can give you some advice, think clearly with reason and logic and then study God’s Truth. There are opportunities to question experts on Relevant Radio, such as Patrick Madrid or Drew Mariani. https://relevantradio.com/
I think you are confused by your own lies and false beliefs.
That may be your false protestant belief, but it is not God’s Truth.
Straw-man argument ADSUM and nice try - but if you want to go there....
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-eat-flesh-drink-blood.html
You answer why you believe in:
Venerating and asking “Mary” to intercede for you instead of Jesus The King?
Belief in a Purgatory?
Belief in prayer to ‘saints’?
Belief in the authority of priests and calling them ‘father’?
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit with every mass as you crucify Christ again and again?
None of the preceding is found in the Bible.
And to your point about proving Catholicism false - many millions have. It’s called the Reformation and it opened up the Gates of Heaven to millions since because the heretical RCC insisted & prohibited the translation of the Word of God from Latin.
Matthew 23:13-15
“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
Oh hey, lookit the condescending attitude. Typical of Catholics who have been proven wrong.
Clement of Rome: “We also, being called through God’s will in Christ Jesus, are not justified through ourselves, neither through our own wisdom or understanding, or piety, or works which we have done in holiness or heart, but through faith” (Epistle to Corinthians).
Ignatius: “His cross, and his death, and his resurrection, and the faith which is through him, are my unpolluted muniments; and in these, through your prayers, I am willing to be justified (Epistle to Philadelphians). Note: “muniments” are title deeds, documents giving evidence of legal ownership of something.
Polycarp: “I know that through grace you are saved, not of works, but by the will of God, through Jesus Christ (Epistle of Philippians).
Justin Martyr: “No longer by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of a heifer...are sins purged, but by faith, through the blood of Christ and his death, who died on this very account (Dialogue with Trypho). “God gave his own Son the ransom for us...for what, save his righteousness, could cover our sins. In whom was it possible that we, transgressors and ungodly as we were, could be justified, save in the Son of God alone? ...O unexpected benefit, that the transgression of many should be hidden in one righteous Person and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors” (Letter to Diognetus).
Ireneus: “Through the obedience of one man who first was born from the Virgin, many should be justified and receive salvation.”
Cyprian: “If Abraham believed in God and it was imputed to him for righteousness, then each one, who believes in God and lives by faith, is found to be a righteous person.”
Athanasius: “Not by these (i.e. human efforts) but by faith, a man is justified as was Abraham.”
Basil: “This is the true and perfect glorying in God, when a man is not lifted up on account of his own righteousness, but has known himself to be wanting in true righteousness and to be justified by faith alone in Christ.”
Ambrose: “Without the works of the law, to an ungodly man, that is to say, a Gentile, believing in Christ, his “faith is imputed for righteousness” as also it was to Abraham.”
Origen: “Through faith, without the works of the law, the dying thief was justified, because...the Lord inquired not what he had previously wrought, nor yet waited for his performance of some work after he should have believe; but...he took him unto himself for a companion, justified through his confession alone.”
Jerome: “When an ungodly man is converted, God justified him through faith alone, not on account of good works which he possessed not.”
Chrysostom: “What then did God do? He made (says Paul) a righteous Person (Christ) to be a sinner, in order that he might make sinners righteous... it is the righteousness of God, when we are justified, not by works...but by grace, where all sin is made to vanish away.”
Chrysostom: “Again, they said that he who adhered to Faith alone was cursed, but he shows that hewho adhered to Faith alone, is blessed.”
Augustine: “Grace is give to you, not wages paid to you...it is called grace because it is given gratuitously. By no precedent merits did you buy what you have received. The sinner therefore received this grace first, that his sins should be forgiven him...good works follow after a justified person; they do not go before in order that he may be justified...good works, following after justification, show what a man has received.”
Augustine: “Now, having duly considered and weighed all these circumstances and testimonies, we conclude that a man is not justified by the precepts of a holy life, but by faith in Jesus Christ,—in a word, not by the law of works, but by the law of faith; not by the letter, but by the spirit; not by the merits of deeds, but by free grace.”
Anselm: “Do you believe that you cannot be saved but by the death of Christ? Go, then, and ...put all your confidence in this death alone. If God shall say to you, “You are a sinner”, say to him, “I place the death of our Lord Jesus Christ between me and my sin.””
Bernard of Clairvaux: “Shall not all our righteousness turn out to be mere unrighteousness and deficiency? What, then, shall it be concerning our sins, when not even our righteousness can answer for itself? Wherefore...let us flee, with all humility to Mercy which alone can save our souls...whoever hungers and thirsts after righteousness, let him believe in thee, who “justified the ungodly”; and thus, being justified by faith alone, he shall have peace with God.”
And that’s just a sample.
I won’t bother replying again except to maybe mock your boasting in your religion.
I, however, will boast in the Lord.
You make assertions without proving that they are true.
Why don’t you start and prove that protestant beliefs are based on God’s Truth? Such as sola scriptura, sola fides, once saved, always saved, The Eucharist is not literal, Purgatory does not exist, don’t need 7 Sacraments established by Christ, the Mass was not established by Jesus and not sanctified by the Holy spirit.
If protestant beliefs are God’s Truth, why are there so many different denominations? They all can’t be true?
Your comment is not true: “None of the preceding is found in the Bible.” You have been feed many anti-Catholic false beliefs that are not correct. They have been repeated and have been proven false. Yet protestants continue to repeat them without fully understanding and not seeking to find out the Truth. Even when presented with the Truth, some ignore it or profess that it isn’t true; others have found them true and converted to the Catholic faith.
For example: Prayer to Mary and the saints.
Our Blessed Mother is without sin and first disciple of Jesus and followed God’s will throughout her life. She is very special to Catholics as our Spiritual Mother that we try to emulate and is the closest person to her son.
Praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As we saw, in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, Paul strongly encouraged Christians to intercede for many different things, and that passage is by no means unique in his writings. Elsewhere Paul directly asks others to pray for him (Rom. 15:30–32, Eph. 6:18–20, Col. 4:3, 1 Thess. 5:25, 2 Thess. 3:1), and he assured them that he was praying for them as well (2 Thess. 1:11).
Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: “[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God” (Rev. 8:3-4).
And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that “the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
Your comment: “I won’t bother replying again except to maybe mock your boasting in your religion.”
Good. You don’t have much to say and you can not defend your protestant beliefs.
Yes. You can quote Catholics. So?
I don’t think you have a clue about the Catholic faith or God’s Truth - only the anti-Catholic lies.
NOT through the teaching of the church at Rome.
Ah!
Something we agree upon!
Oh; I’ve been inside a few in my lifetime.
Watched their rituals.
Smelled the incense.
Looked at the icons.
Yet failed to buy what they were selling.
How easily you dismiss the REST of the story that makes the claim that keeping laws will NOT get you to heaven.
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