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To: SkyDancer
Not sure what the question is. The scriptures refer to two parts to the Second coming.

1. His coming as a thief in the night where only true Christians are "caught up" by the Bride Groom (1 Thess 4:16 - 5:2). We go up!

2. His coming to the Mt. of Olives where every eye shall see him! Jesus comes down with us!(Revelation 19, Zechariah 14)
23 posted on 01/31/2021 4:13:54 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Still not Biblical. There are one hundred verses about the Second Coming and thirty verses used to prove this Rapture thing; those thirty verses are within the hundred that describe the Second Coming - you have the Second Coming verses followed by those Rapture verses. It does not make logical sense.


35 posted on 01/31/2021 4:52:21 PM PST by SkyDancer (Remember Ashli Babbitt!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

PS: With this Rapture thing you have two Second Comings.


36 posted on 01/31/2021 4:52:55 PM PST by SkyDancer (Remember Ashli Babbitt!)
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To: Jan_Sobieski; SkyDancer
Panie Janie,

1 Thess 4:15 to 5:2 says nothing about a rapture. St Paul wrote to the Thessalonian Christians because they were worried about who died before Christ's return. Rapturists make the error that Christ will not actually touch down on the ground and that Christians will get some pass from the tribulations -- this is non-existent in the text

The ord Paul uses for meeting the Lord "in the air" is aer, the Greek word for atmosphere (ref Eph 2:2). In the latter, Satan is called the prince of the power of the "aer" - so do rapturists think only airplane passengers are influenced by Satan??

No, that's another nonsensical rapturist posing

When Christ returns to the earth's atmosphere, he has returned to earth -- we will meet Christ at His second coming. No rapture away

The "like a thief in the night" is to be taken in the context of Matthew 24 -- the "cry of comman", "the archangel's call", "the trumpt of God"

There is no secret rapture

All the passages speak of one and only one more advent of Christ - no secret rapture

59 posted on 02/02/2021 2:25:04 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Jan_Sobieski; SkyDancer

Panie Janie

Revelation 19 talks of the second coming, not to a “two part” second coming.


60 posted on 02/02/2021 3:29:12 AM PST by Cronos
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