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The Scriptures Are Amazing
RR ^ | 12/13/20 | Daymond Duck

Posted on 12/13/2020 9:04:57 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

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To: Mom MD
prophecy often has double fulfillment

So true, here is an example of that truth, when Isaiah spoke of the coming Messiah.

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this (Isaiah 9:6-7).

There’s no indication of a gap in the middle of this prophecy’s fulfillment. Absent any other information a rational person would conclude that the two paragraphs are connected, with the second immediately following the first.

Likewise, when Gabriel announced the Lord’s coming to Mary, he promised that her child would be called the Son of God. He would sit on David’s throne and reign over the house of Jacob forever (Luke 1:30-33). Gabriel didn’t mention a 2,000 year gap between the child’s birth and His ascension to David’s throne either.

Both of these prophecies have only been fulfilled in part. The child was born, the son was given and He is called the Son of God by many. But because Israel rejected Him, He hasn’t been seated on David’s throne, He is not Israel’s King, and the Earth is not experiencing everlasting peace. By inserting a gap between the part that has been fulfilled and the part that hasn’t, you can see that what could have been the past to us has become the future and the meaning of the prophecy remains just as clear as it would have been with out it.

Can You See It?

Only when we really dig into these prophecies with supernatural insight can we see that the preterist view requires a departure from a strict literal translation. I say we need the assistance of supernatural insight because as far as we can tell not one of the Jewish scholars “saw” the gap between the 69th and 70th weeks into which the Church Age so neatly fits.(Rom 11:25)

The Apostle Paul was arguably the most intellectually gifted of the New Testament writers, and had been educated by Gamaliel, who was revered as a pre-eminent Hebrew scholar (Acts 22:3). Yet even Paul did not understand this until it was revealed to him by God Himself. He said it was a mystery not made known to men in other generations (Eph. 3).

Only the futurist position remains true to the complete, literal sense in which the prophecies were written.

121 posted on 12/22/2020 9:52:07 AM PST by MAAG (Tetelestai, paid in full. You are as righteous as God is. Double jeopardy is forbidden.)
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To: HKMk23

How do you explain:

Rev 3:1
To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the
seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive
, but you are dead.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

122 posted on 12/22/2020 12:43:33 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: HKMk23

You need to cross check translations

NET torches is not GSN=2985 it is in fact Lampos -Lamp in Rev 45

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

123 posted on 12/22/2020 1:14:59 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Uri’el-2012

Jesus has the Seven Spirits of God because he is God. John already saw the seven stars in his hand; explained in Rev. 1:20 as the angels (or messengers) of the Seven churches to whom John was directed to write.

I really don’t get the bent to conflate lamps and lampstands. Lamps are before the throne of God and are the Seven Spirits (or Sevenfold Spirit) of God.

John saw Jesus walking among Seven Lampstands, which are the Seven Churches.

Think about the relationship between a Lamp and a Lampstand, and the separate definitions make perfect sense. A Lampstand (church) isn’t a Lamp (Spirit of God), but does carry that Spirit; holding it up as testimony to the world.

Consider this description of John The Baptizer:

A man came, sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that everyone might believe through him. He himself was not the light, but he came to testify about the light. The true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
John 1:6‭-‬9 NET
https://bible.com/bible/107/jhn.1.6-9.NET

John bears witness to, carries, displays, draws men to, the light, but is not that light.

The churches (lampstands) bear witness to, carry, display, draw men to the light of the Lamps, but they are not the Lamps.


124 posted on 12/22/2020 6:14:31 PM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: MAAG

You would do well to red Daniel, and see that aniel was given wisdom regarding the first advent of Messiah, His death getting nothing, being cut off.Jewish scholars did not want to see what was given to Dabiel.


125 posted on 12/22/2020 6:25:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Uri’el-2012

Yes.

επτά λαμπάδες φωτιάς που έκαιγαν
seven fire candles that were burning

επτά πνεύματα του Θεού
Seven Spirits of God

https://bible.com/bible/921/rev.4.5.FPB

Litrtal “lamps” == λαμπτήρες


126 posted on 12/22/2020 6:56:55 PM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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