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To: ADSUM
Approximately one third of the angels followed Satan into Hell.

Indeed, and the biggest department is in religion, and as shown, with the Catholic church taking up the most space on the broad way to destruction, standing in critical and overall contrast to the church of Scripture, though mixing Truth with error.

Acts 10:43-47 refers to the forgiveness of sins by Baptism, not future sins “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” FYI one sentence or phrase is not sufficient proof of Christ’s teachings, one should understand the whole.

Which is exactly what you do (quoting one sentence or phrase) and not do (examining the context and relevant texts, for rather than the forgiveness of sins by Baptism - which according to Rome the very act effects - the text which you left but I quoted clearly states that whoever believes on the risen Lord receives forgiveness, and which washing of regeneration these souls were shown and said to have received PRIOR to baptism, and with Peter going on to confirm that God gave them the holy Spirit and purified their hearts BY FAITH, which occurred prior to baptism, but which faith was formally expressed by that act.

Instead of compelling Scripture to support what you believe, why will you not admit that these souls experienced the washing of regeneration prior to baptism? Rather than accusing the one who reproves your error, why not admit that you are committed to believing whatever your church teaches (or you think it does) regardless of being clearly shown what Scripture says to the contrary?

Your comment: “for salvation is not based on Christ’s judgment for they are already saved or lost before any judgment, and instead salvation is based upon heart-purifying regenerating effectual living faith,’ I see your comments as your ignorance of God’s Truth. “For judgement, I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” John 9:39

It is evident that while you can see what you want that is not what Scripture says, and the ignorance here is on you. Salvation cannot be based upon judgment since salvation is obtained before the judgment of the saved and of the lost, and souls are either born again children of God by effectual faith in this life or they are of the devil. And not only does God know this beforehand but so can believers know. Paul knew the Thessalonians were of the elect (1 Thessalonians 1:4) and John provides for and states that believers can know they presently possess eternal life, and know if others are children of God or not. (1 John 3:8,10; 5:13)

The judgment at the end of the reign of Christ (Matthew 13:41) formally manifests who is saved or not, being wheat or tares, but believers on earth have already been separated (Matthew 13:41) and faced the judgment seat of Christ reigned with the Lord for 1,000 years, and fought with Him in the battle of Armageddon. (Jude 1:14; Revelation 19:14)

Thus you need to read what pertains to this issue, and not some isolated texts such as from the gospels. As for ignorance of God’s Truth and “For judgement, I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind,” (John 9:39) in CONTEXT this does not refers to the day of judgment or waiting until them to see if you are saved, but to Christ judging in the sense of punishing lost souls by making them face manifest Truth that they did not want to face, and thus are judicially blinded. Which is according to the principle, "Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth." (John 12:35)

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:39-41)

Thus again you are guilty of the very thing you falsely charge your reprover with.

Your comment: “ But it is also wrong to state that a soul cannot know that they presently are saved (having examined themselves if they are in the faith, and to which the Spirit witnesses: 2 Co. 13:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; Romans 8:14-16), possessing eternal life (1 Jn. 5:13) and would go directly to forever be with the Lord at death or at His coming (see above), and which a Catholic cannot say.

There is no promise of absolute assurance of salvation anywhere in God’s Truth. “once saved, always saved” is a protestant theory that is false that probably comes from Satan. All can have hope until the end. Heb 6:11 Why does one need to repent if there is assurance of salvation (if Christ’s death forgave all future sins)? Acts 8:22

What are you arguing against something I never taught but stated to the contrary - right above the text you are citing as teaching OSAS? In which I actually stated, "To claim a believer can never fall away from the faith - fall from grace, draw back unto perdition, make Christ of no salvific effect, to not profit for them - is wrong, (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39) and which I nowhere defended."

However, the issue is that which I actually taught, and which you seem to want to avoid with your OSAS objection, which is that a soul can know that they presently are saved (having examined themselves if they are in the faith, and to which the Spirit witnesses: 2 Co. 13:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; Romans 8:14-16), possessing eternal life (1 Jn. 5:13) and would go directly to forever be with the Lord at death or at His coming...

Why not just admit this is true rather than misconstruing what I argued?

The rest of your post with its robotic mere fallacious assertions that you can only wish were true provides more testimony to the case of why one should not be a Catholic, which you have thus far provided more support to. But if you want to continue...

83 posted on 11/24/2020 1:44:10 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

St Paul stated (Phil 2:12) “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”

Make continued efforts at living the Gospel and pursuing your heavenly reward. Our initial salvation through Baptism has nothing to do with works, our final salvation depends on a lifetime of keeping the faith (2 Tim 4:7-8), following the commandments (My 19:17), preserving in good works (Rom 2:7) striving for holiness (Heb 12:14), praying in earnest (1 Thess 5:17), and fighting against evil (Rom 8:13).

God encourages us with his graces both to desire and to act what pleases God. Many may believe that they have assurance of salvation, but they may not admit that they do not fully accept God’s revealed truth. So their faith may not be genuine and true. For example, many do not accept that Jesus established the Catholic Church for our salvation, and Jesus established the Sacraments, including Baptism, Eucharist and Confession as needed for our salvation.

Remember that the Pharisees believed that they had true faith, and Jesus told them otherwise. John 9;39-41

While I am not the Merciful and Just Judge, Jesus told us the way is hard and the gate is narrow. So I hope all will accept God’s Truth and not man-made opinions.

Your comment: “The rest of your post with its robotic mere fallacious assertions that you can only wish were true provides more testimony to the case of why one should not be a Catholic, which you have thus far provided more support to. But if you want to continue...”

Again, you present your man-made opinions without substance and ignore the Bible postings that explains Christ’s teachings (which you reject) that I have provided. You are right I am not going to be able help you understand God’s Truths if one has a hardened heart and you have not provided any truths that change the catholic faith that Jesus taught.

In regard to “once saved always saved” is a protestant teaching and while you have rejected that particular teaching, it is one of many erroneous protestant teachings. Christ teachings are the Truth and should not be changed to meet various protestant denominations.

Faith is both a relationship with God as well as an engagement with the truths that he reveals. Our faith encounter with God’s revealed message takes time and maturity to probe its meaning.

Protestantism in its various forms is following man-made dogma in the belief that it follows Scripture. It rejects the Catholic Church, most of Christ’s Sacraments and some of God’s revealed truth. When protestants reject the real presence of Jesus (Body and Blood) in the Eucharist, they reject a key element of God’s revealed truth.


84 posted on 11/25/2020 6:11:03 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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