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To: daniel1212

St Paul stated (Phil 2:12) “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”

Make continued efforts at living the Gospel and pursuing your heavenly reward. Our initial salvation through Baptism has nothing to do with works, our final salvation depends on a lifetime of keeping the faith (2 Tim 4:7-8), following the commandments (My 19:17), preserving in good works (Rom 2:7) striving for holiness (Heb 12:14), praying in earnest (1 Thess 5:17), and fighting against evil (Rom 8:13).

God encourages us with his graces both to desire and to act what pleases God. Many may believe that they have assurance of salvation, but they may not admit that they do not fully accept God’s revealed truth. So their faith may not be genuine and true. For example, many do not accept that Jesus established the Catholic Church for our salvation, and Jesus established the Sacraments, including Baptism, Eucharist and Confession as needed for our salvation.

Remember that the Pharisees believed that they had true faith, and Jesus told them otherwise. John 9;39-41

While I am not the Merciful and Just Judge, Jesus told us the way is hard and the gate is narrow. So I hope all will accept God’s Truth and not man-made opinions.

Your comment: “The rest of your post with its robotic mere fallacious assertions that you can only wish were true provides more testimony to the case of why one should not be a Catholic, which you have thus far provided more support to. But if you want to continue...”

Again, you present your man-made opinions without substance and ignore the Bible postings that explains Christ’s teachings (which you reject) that I have provided. You are right I am not going to be able help you understand God’s Truths if one has a hardened heart and you have not provided any truths that change the catholic faith that Jesus taught.

In regard to “once saved always saved” is a protestant teaching and while you have rejected that particular teaching, it is one of many erroneous protestant teachings. Christ teachings are the Truth and should not be changed to meet various protestant denominations.

Faith is both a relationship with God as well as an engagement with the truths that he reveals. Our faith encounter with God’s revealed message takes time and maturity to probe its meaning.

Protestantism in its various forms is following man-made dogma in the belief that it follows Scripture. It rejects the Catholic Church, most of Christ’s Sacraments and some of God’s revealed truth. When protestants reject the real presence of Jesus (Body and Blood) in the Eucharist, they reject a key element of God’s revealed truth.


84 posted on 11/25/2020 6:11:03 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
St Paul stated (Phil 2:12) “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”..our final salvation depends on a lifetime of keeping the faith (2 Tim 4:7-8), following the commandments (My 19:17), preserving in good works (Rom 2:7) striving for holiness (Heb 12:14), praying in earnest (1 Thess 5:17), and fighting against evil (Rom 8:13).

Indeed as I have expressed, believers must continue in the faith, which God enables and motivates, and not rebel and even fall away, which is the only thing we can take credit for. Thus again you are responding to me with an argument against something I did not say.

. Our initial salvation through Baptism has nothing to do with works,

Actually in Catholic soteriology it does indeed have to do with works, as in a work performed by man making one good enough to enter Heaven, versus penitent heart-purifying regenerating faith being counted for righteousness, as shown you from Scripture and denied.

Many may believe that they have assurance of salvation, but they may not admit that they do not fully accept God’s revealed truth. So their faith may not be genuine and true. For example, many do not accept that Jesus established the Catholic Church for our salvation, and Jesus established the Sacraments, including Baptism, Eucharist and Confession as needed for our salvation.

Which again is a mere bombastic assertion, since while indeed observing baptism and the Lord's supper and confessing sins to each other is part of saving faith, what you mean by it is not Scriptural, as shown at length, yet as usual, your response is to simply parrot assertions you can only wish were true

Again, you present your man-made opinions without substance and ignore the Bible postings that explains Christ’s teachings (which you reject) that I have provided

What?! I am the one showing you in context and in conjunction with relevant other passages that Scripture refutes you, while your argumentation is as if making assertions and pasting some texts establishes your claims, despite my refuting them. Thus your present recourse is once again this sophistry, accusing me of what you are the one guilty of.

Protestantism in its various forms is following man-made dogma in the belief that it follows Scripture. It rejects the Catholic Church, most of Christ’s Sacraments and some of God’s revealed truth. When protestants reject the real presence of Jesus (Body and Blood) in the Eucharist, they reject a key element of God’s revealed truth.

More spitwad assertions, while besides other errors, you were shown that your contrivance of the Lord's supper is not what the NT church believed, based upon what is manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

It is no wonder we suspect Catholics imagine they obtain some sort of indulgence for continually parroting their propaganda despite it being refuted again and again for all to see. Which means as said, the argument you have effectively provided is that one should be a Catholic. This thread is pretty dead anyway. Go find another RC to argue your case, for your responses warrant being ignored.

May God peradventure grant you "repentance to the acknowledging of the truth." (2 Timothy 2:25)

85 posted on 11/25/2020 3:49:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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