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To: ADSUM
St Paul stated (Phil 2:12) “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”..our final salvation depends on a lifetime of keeping the faith (2 Tim 4:7-8), following the commandments (My 19:17), preserving in good works (Rom 2:7) striving for holiness (Heb 12:14), praying in earnest (1 Thess 5:17), and fighting against evil (Rom 8:13).

Indeed as I have expressed, believers must continue in the faith, which God enables and motivates, and not rebel and even fall away, which is the only thing we can take credit for. Thus again you are responding to me with an argument against something I did not say.

. Our initial salvation through Baptism has nothing to do with works,

Actually in Catholic soteriology it does indeed have to do with works, as in a work performed by man making one good enough to enter Heaven, versus penitent heart-purifying regenerating faith being counted for righteousness, as shown you from Scripture and denied.

Many may believe that they have assurance of salvation, but they may not admit that they do not fully accept God’s revealed truth. So their faith may not be genuine and true. For example, many do not accept that Jesus established the Catholic Church for our salvation, and Jesus established the Sacraments, including Baptism, Eucharist and Confession as needed for our salvation.

Which again is a mere bombastic assertion, since while indeed observing baptism and the Lord's supper and confessing sins to each other is part of saving faith, what you mean by it is not Scriptural, as shown at length, yet as usual, your response is to simply parrot assertions you can only wish were true

Again, you present your man-made opinions without substance and ignore the Bible postings that explains Christ’s teachings (which you reject) that I have provided

What?! I am the one showing you in context and in conjunction with relevant other passages that Scripture refutes you, while your argumentation is as if making assertions and pasting some texts establishes your claims, despite my refuting them. Thus your present recourse is once again this sophistry, accusing me of what you are the one guilty of.

Protestantism in its various forms is following man-made dogma in the belief that it follows Scripture. It rejects the Catholic Church, most of Christ’s Sacraments and some of God’s revealed truth. When protestants reject the real presence of Jesus (Body and Blood) in the Eucharist, they reject a key element of God’s revealed truth.

More spitwad assertions, while besides other errors, you were shown that your contrivance of the Lord's supper is not what the NT church believed, based upon what is manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

It is no wonder we suspect Catholics imagine they obtain some sort of indulgence for continually parroting their propaganda despite it being refuted again and again for all to see. Which means as said, the argument you have effectively provided is that one should be a Catholic. This thread is pretty dead anyway. Go find another RC to argue your case, for your responses warrant being ignored.

May God peradventure grant you "repentance to the acknowledging of the truth." (2 Timothy 2:25)

85 posted on 11/25/2020 3:49:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

your comment: “May God peradventure grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)”

Your opinion of the Catholic faith is in error.

Faith is necessary for salvation. Faith is a gift of God which enables us to know and love him. but living in faith is not possible unless there is action on our part. Faith is therefore a relationship with God as well as an engagement with the truths that he reveals. Faith is both the act by which we accept God’s word and the content of what he has revealed to us.

To the extent that many reject Christ’s truths and follow man-made false teaching, their faith will be questioned when Christ judges us upon our death.

Paul cautions Timothy about the moral depravity that is rampant among false teachers. 2 Tim 3:1-19


86 posted on 11/27/2020 10:10:25 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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