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To: daniel1212

Approximately one third of the angels followed Satan into Hell.

While, I do know the exact quantity of mankind that will follow Satan, it is probably as high as 75% which include most heretics and those that reject God’s Word.

You attempt to quote the Bible to support you protestant theory, but does the opposite; For example:

Acts 10:43-47 refers to the forgiveness of sins by Baptism, not future sins “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” FYI one sentence or phrase is not sufficient proof of Christ’s teachings, one should understand the whole.

Your comment: “for salvation is not based on Christ’s judgment for they are already saved or lost before any judgment, and instead salvation is based upon heart-purifying regenerating effectual living faith,’

I see your comments as your ignorance of God’s Truth. “For judgement, I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” John 9:39

Your comment: “ But it is also wrong to state that a soul cannot know that they presently are saved (having examined themselves if they are in the faith, and to which the Spirit witnesses: 2 Co. 13:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; Romans 8:14-16), possessing eternal life (1 Jn. 5:13) and would go directly to forever be with the Lord at death or at His coming (see above), and which a Catholic cannot say.

There is no promise of absolute assurance of salvation anywhere in God’s Truth. “once saved, always saved” is a protestant theory that is false that probably comes from Satan. All can have hope until the end. Heb 6:11

Why does one need to repent if there is assurance of salvation (if Christ’s death forgave all future sins)? Acts 8:22

Your comment: “Actually it is impenitent recalcitrant Rome that itself needs repentance, as do all who are in it and defend it, who are accursed if they preach her false gospel. (Gal. 1:8) “

Again, you rely on false teaching and not God’s Truth. Yes, Satan is accursed and you seem to support protestant theories. Yes, there may be some Catholics that provide false teaching and support evil, like abortion, etc.(but not the Church as a whole), and God will deal with them on judgement day. The truth of the Catholic faith is strong and Jesus promises to be with us until the end of time.

Repent and accept God’s Truth and reject protestant theories and multiple versions that dispute God’s Truth.


80 posted on 11/24/2020 7:40:53 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
Approximately one third of the angels followed Satan into Hell.

Indeed, and the biggest department is in religion, and as shown, with the Catholic church taking up the most space on the broad way to destruction, standing in critical and overall contrast to the church of Scripture, though mixing Truth with error.

Acts 10:43-47 refers to the forgiveness of sins by Baptism, not future sins “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” FYI one sentence or phrase is not sufficient proof of Christ’s teachings, one should understand the whole.

Which is exactly what you do (quoting one sentence or phrase) and not do (examining the context and relevant texts, for rather than the forgiveness of sins by Baptism - which according to Rome the very act effects - the text which you left but I quoted clearly states that whoever believes on the risen Lord receives forgiveness, and which washing of regeneration these souls were shown and said to have received PRIOR to baptism, and with Peter going on to confirm that God gave them the holy Spirit and purified their hearts BY FAITH, which occurred prior to baptism, but which faith was formally expressed by that act.

Instead of compelling Scripture to support what you believe, why will you not admit that these souls experienced the washing of regeneration prior to baptism? Rather than accusing the one who reproves your error, why not admit that you are committed to believing whatever your church teaches (or you think it does) regardless of being clearly shown what Scripture says to the contrary?

Your comment: “for salvation is not based on Christ’s judgment for they are already saved or lost before any judgment, and instead salvation is based upon heart-purifying regenerating effectual living faith,’ I see your comments as your ignorance of God’s Truth. “For judgement, I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” John 9:39

It is evident that while you can see what you want that is not what Scripture says, and the ignorance here is on you. Salvation cannot be based upon judgment since salvation is obtained before the judgment of the saved and of the lost, and souls are either born again children of God by effectual faith in this life or they are of the devil. And not only does God know this beforehand but so can believers know. Paul knew the Thessalonians were of the elect (1 Thessalonians 1:4) and John provides for and states that believers can know they presently possess eternal life, and know if others are children of God or not. (1 John 3:8,10; 5:13)

The judgment at the end of the reign of Christ (Matthew 13:41) formally manifests who is saved or not, being wheat or tares, but believers on earth have already been separated (Matthew 13:41) and faced the judgment seat of Christ reigned with the Lord for 1,000 years, and fought with Him in the battle of Armageddon. (Jude 1:14; Revelation 19:14)

Thus you need to read what pertains to this issue, and not some isolated texts such as from the gospels. As for ignorance of God’s Truth and “For judgement, I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind,” (John 9:39) in CONTEXT this does not refers to the day of judgment or waiting until them to see if you are saved, but to Christ judging in the sense of punishing lost souls by making them face manifest Truth that they did not want to face, and thus are judicially blinded. Which is according to the principle, "Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth." (John 12:35)

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:39-41)

Thus again you are guilty of the very thing you falsely charge your reprover with.

Your comment: “ But it is also wrong to state that a soul cannot know that they presently are saved (having examined themselves if they are in the faith, and to which the Spirit witnesses: 2 Co. 13:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; Romans 8:14-16), possessing eternal life (1 Jn. 5:13) and would go directly to forever be with the Lord at death or at His coming (see above), and which a Catholic cannot say.

There is no promise of absolute assurance of salvation anywhere in God’s Truth. “once saved, always saved” is a protestant theory that is false that probably comes from Satan. All can have hope until the end. Heb 6:11 Why does one need to repent if there is assurance of salvation (if Christ’s death forgave all future sins)? Acts 8:22

What are you arguing against something I never taught but stated to the contrary - right above the text you are citing as teaching OSAS? In which I actually stated, "To claim a believer can never fall away from the faith - fall from grace, draw back unto perdition, make Christ of no salvific effect, to not profit for them - is wrong, (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39) and which I nowhere defended."

However, the issue is that which I actually taught, and which you seem to want to avoid with your OSAS objection, which is that a soul can know that they presently are saved (having examined themselves if they are in the faith, and to which the Spirit witnesses: 2 Co. 13:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; Romans 8:14-16), possessing eternal life (1 Jn. 5:13) and would go directly to forever be with the Lord at death or at His coming...

Why not just admit this is true rather than misconstruing what I argued?

The rest of your post with its robotic mere fallacious assertions that you can only wish were true provides more testimony to the case of why one should not be a Catholic, which you have thus far provided more support to. But if you want to continue...

83 posted on 11/24/2020 1:44:10 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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