Posted on 10/08/2020 6:31:45 AM PDT by Gamecock
Cronie, why do the church fathers agree with me and the SDA’s and not you?
Why Cronie?
2 [2] An angel of the LORD: the visual form under which God appeared and spoke to men is referred to indifferently [without distinction] in some Old Testament texts either as God's angel or as God himself. Cf Genesis 16:7, 13; Exodus 14:19, 24, 25; Numbers 22:22-35; Jdgs 6,11-18.
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/exodus/exodus3.htm
Why does the New American Bible for CATHOLICS agree with the SDA's that God (Jesus) has appeared as, and spoke to men, as an angel?
Why Cronie?
Page 130-131
I shall sum up the moral character of Jesuitism, which has been thirty-nine times abolished and expelled from the different governments of Europe: and in doing this, I shall employ the high authority of the Arret of the Parliament of France in 1762, when it extirpated the Jesuits. “The consequences of their doctrines destroy the law of nature: break all the bonds of civil society: authorizing lying, theft, perjury, the utmost uncleanness, murder, and all sins! Their doctrines root out all sentiments of humanity: excite rebellion: root out all religion: and substitute all sorts of supersitition, blasphemy, irreligion, and idolatry.” Such is the declaration of the Parliament of Paris. See the Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, Appendix p. 111, &c.
Being a list of sins pardoned, and their orthodox prices, in British money.
For a layman killing a layman, 0 7 6 pounds
For killing a father, mother, wife, or sister, 0 10 6
For laying violent hands on a priest, without breaking the skin, 0 10 6
For a priest to marry, no money can buy it, but to keep a concubine, from one guinea to 0 10 6 To eat meat in Lent (as bad as the murder of a father or a mother,) 0 10 6
For a Queen to adopt a child, 300 0 0
To procure abortion, 0 7 6
For taking a false oath in a criminal case, 0 9 0
For robbing, or burning a house, 0 12 0
For violating a maid, 0 9 0
For incest, with sister or mother, 0 7 6
Why Cronie?
Dude, that’s not even true.
In contrast, what is true is that your founder’s husband James White denouncing the trinity as “unscriptural”.
you do realize that your Adventists, a failing sect are part of the great apostasy and are Satan’s handmaidens, right?
“Either as” perhaps you don’t understand what that means.
The Captain of Prince of the host of angels looking after Israel was Michael - and there was another prince of hosts of Angels looking after Persia. There were and are plenty of archangels, each looking after a particular nation as per Daniel.
And no, Jesus isn’t the archangel Michael
“Either as” perhaps you don’t understand what that means.
Cronie, it means that Jesus is not limited to appearing just as God. Sounds like you don’t understand what that means.
Yes, Cronie, Jesus can appear as an ANGEL. Imagine that. He can also appear as a HUMAN. Imagine that. He can also appear as the ARCHANGEL, in charge of the the angelic hosts. IMAGINE THAT CRONIE.
Cronie, I see you are frustrated that church fathers and Catholic sources identify Jesus as an angel, and even Michael the archangel. Your Jesuit lies can’t cover that up. It’s right there in history, hundreds of years before there was ever a SDA. They all agree with the SDA church on the subject. That is an undisputed fact. You can’t lie your way out of it.
Then you try to deflect the truth by saying...but, but, but it’s the SDA’s, cult, EGW, blah, blah, blah.
No one is buying your lies anymore.
No Jesuits back then to lie about what he said. It's a matter of record. He said it. He meant it. Your church made him a Saint.
Bishop Melito of Sardis: "The Lord Jesus Christ is acknowledged as the perfect Reason, the Word of God; who was begotten before the light; who was Creator with the Father; who was the Fashioner of man; who was all things in all; Patriarch among the patriarchs, Law in the law, Chief Priest among the priests, King among the kings, Prophet among the prophets, Archangel among the angels"
Did Saint Melito believe that Jesus was a created angel? No he did not. Cronie, he would have called you an idiot for saying SDA's believe that.
Cronie: But, but, but.....EGW says.....Cult.
There is no way to spin it Cronie. Saint Melito of Sardis said it, one of your own Saints.
Angel: Definition: a messenger, angel. Usage: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
Justin Martyr: “And He is called Angel and Apostle; for He declares whatever we ought to know, and is sent forth to declare whatever is revealed”
Evidently something your Jesuit mind cannot comprehend Cronie.
New American Bible for Catholics, Exo 3:2 footnote:
2 [2] An angel of the LORD: the visual form under which God appeared and spoke to men is referred to indifferently [without distinction] in some Old Testament texts either as God’s angel or as God himself. Cf Genesis 16:7, 13; Exodus 14:19, 24, 25; Numbers 22:22-35; Jdgs 6,11-18.
Are you calling Justin Martyr and these other Catholic sources LIARS Cronie? Sounds like you are.
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