Ex-Muslims mark International Apostasy Day

Al bab ^ | 22 August 2020 | Al bab

[Cronos]

[RoosterRedux]

“He who changes his religion should be killed”

That alone makes Islam a cult.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

They forgot the US..would be interesting

[Eleutheria5]

I recall a Muslim who converted to Christianity, and posted a poem on line sympathetic of Jews who endured the Holocaust. Two Muslims caught up to him, beat him and carved a large Star of David on his back. This occurred in Mineapolis, I think. I friended him on facebook, back in the days that I still looked in on facebook occasionally.

[Cronos]

True, it fits all the hallmarks of a cult

• The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader, and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
• Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
• Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, or debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
• The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (e.g., members must get permission to date, change jobs, or marry—or leaders prescribe what to wear, where to live, whether to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
• The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and its members (e.g., the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
• The group has a polarized, us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
• The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders, or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
• The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (e.g., lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
• The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and control members. Often this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
• Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
• The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
• The group is preoccupied with making money.
• Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
• Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
• The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave—or even consider leaving—the group.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

WOW..in the US

[Salman]

“He who changes his religion should be killed”
That alone makes Islam a cult.

A cult the same way the Mafia is a cult.

[wastedyears]

There’s the possibility that it’s all taqiyya.

Remember that the saracens are encouraged to lie to the infidel to achieve their goals.

[FreedomPoster]

Some of the actions described remind me of our cancel culture Leftists.

[delchiante]

“As the bishop of Rome and pastor of the Catholic Church, I would like to invoke mercy and forgiveness for the non-evangelical behavior of Catholics toward Christians of other churches,” he said. “At the same time, I invite all Catholic brothers and sisters to forgive if today, or in the past, they have suffered offense by other Christians.”

“Non-evangelical behavior” is an interesting euphemism for the massive violence unleashed in the wake of the Reformation. Modern scholars estimate 50 million died in the religious violence that followed in persecutions, counter-persecutions and religious wars.

The islamic ‘cult’ isn’t the first religion to go cult ..

[Zionist Conspirator]

“He who changes his religion should be killed”

That alone makes Islam a cult.

So your "bible" doesn't have an "old testament" in it???

[Rurudyne]

Islam started where it is.

Christ told Pilate that because His kingdom was not of this world explained why His followers were not out fighting to free Him.

Mohammad and company started killing, raping, slaving, pillaging and looting pretty much the moment that they had enough military power to do so ... which kinda tells you where this Allah’s kingdom is by comparison.

So if going cult is a benchmark then it should probably include how long it took as part of that metric.

[Cronos]

[Cronos]

That’s more a Shia against Sunni think, not a Muslim against non-Muslim think.

In this case, it is clear that many, many Muslims are leaving Islam

[Eleutheria5]

14 killed in CA. 3,000 in NYC. United 93 and the Pentagon.

[Eleutheria5]

And that gay bar in Florida.

[delchiante]

The bible has metrics too.

The bible also predicted that there was going to be about 2,000 cubits between Israel and the ark before crossing over into the promised land.

Interesting that same number,about 2,000, is used in numbering the unclean swine that were demon possessed.

Moses and Aaron’s rods becoming serpents wasn’t just an event.
It was prophecy.
Nadab and Abihu dying wasn’t just an event. It was prophecy.
Er and Onan dying wasn’t just an event. It was prophecy.

Satan entering Judas (12th apostle in the ‘church’ and the one holding the money bag) wasn’t just an event. It was prophecy.

Satan controls all religion. All cults.

And the bible predicted it.
Even the birth of Judah’s sons to Tamar speaks to darkness in the ‘Kingdom’.

The world, especially religion, is full of Satan’s influence.

Demon possessed swine= unclean doctrines and teachings.
About 2,000.

That doesn’t just describe Islam.
That’s an indictment on the whole world, even and maybe especially, Judeo Christianity. Since the church is the representation of the Kingdom of heaven on Earth. A renewed garden.
But even Genesis tells us there were two trees in the garden and a serpent. Wonder where the church sees itself in that story.
Does it see itself as the tree of life or the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
The church most certainly represents in its history good and evil, and well Adam and Eve eating that poison fruit is not a life sentence, but a death sentence.

Again, the bible predicted about 2,000 years of demon possessed swine.
The bible also predicted a 40 year period where Israel was to wander in the wilderness.
Multiply 40 by 50, number affiliated with Pentecost and the birth of the church, and one gets 2,000.

Two leavened (leaven represents false teachings) loaves is part of the offering at that Feast.

The metrics say
Nobody is good. No. Not one.

Islam doesnt have the Son,so they are Antichrist by scripture.

What’s Judeo Christianity’s excuse for the last about 2,000 years?
Also Antichrist?

Maybe His Kingdom is still truly not of this world.
And the fighting down here has been to see which side of Satan’s divided kingdom rules.

Since the first Protestant reformers called the Papacy and Pope ‘Antichrist’, it appears Antichrist is winning.

But because that ‘Antichrist’ is ‘Christian’ their doctrines appear not be completely demonic.

Satan isn’t going to deceive the whole world with ‘Islam’.
But Satan calling today Moon Day isn’t Islamic.
It’s ‘Judeo Christian’.

So that isn’t deceit. That’s just what today is according to ‘Antichrist’.
Not Antichrist Islam, but Antichrist Christianity.

The bible metrics point to Satan getting legal right on the Earth and in the ‘garden’ and religion.

How he can possibly fulfill prophecy and ‘deceive the world can be speculated within religion.
But for some,Satan does it today.
And not exclusive to Satans work in Islam.

If people want Islam destroyed, destroy their false goddess Frigg day.

But Antichrist Islam didn’t create that day.
Another Antichrist did.

[Rurudyne]

I’m not going to discuss some of your ideas on prophesy but I will demonstrate how your response is a straw man for not actually being a response to what I’d written.

I wrote, quoting:

Islam started where it is.

Christ told Pilate that because His kingdom was not of this world explained why His followers were not out fighting to free Him.

Mohammad and company started killing, raping, slaving, pillaging and looting pretty much the moment that they had enough military power to do so ... which kinda tells you where this Allah’s kingdom is by comparison.

So if going cult is a benchmark then it should probably include how long it took as part of that metric.

(end quote)

And the “metric” I was pointing out related exactly to while men were best being disciples of their respective masters.

That would mean I was inherently pointing to a time before Christians had gained ANY notoriety for being what we might call “bad disciples” who did not emulate Christ.

This is the BIG reason why your post really wasn’t a good response to mine because I was implicitly referring to the fact that there WAS such a time as when many Christians were good disciples, such that even pagan observers noted that they had a profound love for each other among other such things.

Meanwhile with Islam, with Mohammad among them leading them and they emulating him as good disciples of his example (and Muslims are commended, or even commanded, to follow Mohammad’s example) they went straight way out to wars of unprovoked aggressions.

Everything you posted could be lumped under the heading of what happens when “Christians” do not emulate Christ.

We would agree that not emulating Christ is a bad thing, and bad things happen when Christians are not disciples of Christ. I could, for example, point to the fact that we seem to see Romans 1:18-32 going on in far too much of our society as a specific example to show certain “Christians” are not disciples of Christ at all.

Yet on the other hand Islam, which was expressly born from the spirit of antichrist, presents us with the opposite truth ... that very bad things happen when Muslims emulate Mohammad, inescapably so.

There isn’t a real comparison between these two. The Gospel is and remains proverbial fine china of the highest quality and value even if some people have used it as their chamber pot whereas Islam is a proverbial chamber pot no matter if some “Muslims”, who are not disciples of Mohammad and who do not emulate him, have cleaned it up and are using it as if it were fine china.

To be blunt the fact that human beings are bad disciples in general is both why you could make your points about “Christianity” and why so-called “moderate” Muslims who just want to have ordinary lives not filled with violence, that they might have careers and friends/neighbors and civil societies are around to confuse people into believing that there is a “religion of peace” to be found in Islam.

[delchiante]

My metric was that the bible details Satan was a part of the church from the start...and has had the legal right to it.
And Satan’s work is not just overtly evil but also counterfeit righteousness.

That isn’t a comment on individuals but on powers and principalities, even religion. Maybe a more spiritual discussion as opposed to a natural/physical raping,pillaging,killing discussion.

I don’t have any problem calling Islam Antichrist.
The bible confirms it.
I also don’t have any problem calling Judaism Antichrist.
The bible confirms it.

Antichrist doesn’t just means ‘against’.
Scholars have detailed ‘anti’ also could mean ‘instead of’, in place of, substitute for.

I am glad you mentioned the gospel and spirit of Antichrist, though.

If the scriptures could prove Satan has created his own 1st importance of the gospel, and his own Jesus, would people trapped in religion see it?
Paul warns about it.

Again, Satan isn’t just in charge of overtly evil religion, but also in charge of counterfeit righteousness.

Muslims,Jews, Christians, secular humanists, athiests, all have Satan deceiving them.

What the world needs is Truth to set them free.
Satan’s divided Kingdom does fall.

Emulating Christ wasn’t my issue.
Creating a False Christ was..

That’s what Satan has done

Islam today is certainly more dangerous physically.

Which is more dangerous spiritually?
The against Christ?
Or the Substitute/in place of Christ?

Overtly evil is easy to spot.
Counterfeit righteousness is not.

My metric is more spiritual than the one you used.

And that may be why we would appear to type past each other.

Ex Muslims is a good thing.
Their next faith step can be to become a believer in the Son.
And if they are truly blessed, they can see how Satan has deceived Judaism and Christianity in that journey, and be led to come out of Babylon completely.

[Rurudyne]

Here we are treading into waters where I just don’t know enough about you, or you about me for that matter, to be totally clear where we are respectfully coming from. This is just a common problem with an on line forum.

It might be useful if you flatly clarified what you would consider to be the false Christ and the false gospel in play in this instance. For you appear to be wanting a much larger discussion than I initially offered.

I will go first with some easy to reach fruit: like Islam a false gospel may teach that the faith was lost or corrupted, requiring a new prophet to give a new message, one which not incidentally will teach entirely new things about salvation, about creation, or any number of things important enough to drag those who give heed off of the reservation, so to speak.

I do not know if this is what you might be referring to, and it does not really seem to line up with either extreme option that might be tied into your earlier comment about Protestants calling the RCC a thing of the Antichrist because simply I don’t know that either Protestants or the RCC were talking about the other as if the other were claiming to be new prophets.