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Should we Evangelize Protestants ?
The Catholic Thing ^ | August 9th, 2020 | Casey Chalk

Posted on 08/09/2020 7:46:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw

We should stop trying to evangelize Protestants, some Catholics say. “Let’s get our own house clean first, before we invite our fellow Christians in,” someone commented on a recent article of mine that presented a Catholic rejoinder to a prominent Baptist theologian. Another reader argued that, rather than trying to persuade Protestants to become Catholic, we should “help each other spread God’s love in this world that seems to be falling to pieces before our eyes.” As a convert from Protestantism, actively engaged in ecumenical dialogue, I’ve heard this kind of thinking quite frequently. And it’s dead wrong.

One common argument in favor of scrapping Catholic evangelism towards Protestants is that the Catholic Church, mired in sex-abuse and corruption scandals, liturgical abuses, heretical movements, and uneven catechesis, is such a mess that it is not, at least for the moment, a place suitable for welcoming other Christians.

There are many problems with this. For starters, when has the Church not been plagued by internal crises? In the fourth century, a majority of bishops were deceived by the Arian heresy. The medieval Church suffered under the weight of simony and a lax priesthood, as well as the Avignon Papacy and the Western Schism, culminating in three men claiming, simultaneously, to be pope. The Counter-Reformation, for all its catechetical, missionary and aesthetic glories, was still marred by corruption and heresies (Jansenism). Catholicism has never been able to escape such trials. That didn’t stop St. Martin of Tours, St. Boniface, St. Francis de Sales, St. Ignatius Loyola, or St. Teresa of Calcutta from their missionary efforts.

The “Catholics clean house” argument also undermines our own theology. Is the Eucharist the “source and summit of the Christian life,” as Lumen Gentium preaches, or not? If it is, how could we in good conscience not direct other Christians to its salvific power? Jesus Himself declared: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” (John 6:53) Was our Lord misrepresenting the Eucharist?

Or what of the fact that most Protestant churches allow contraception, a mortal sin? Or that Protestants have no recourse to the sacraments of penance or last rites? To claim Protestants aren’t in need of these essential parts of the Catholic faith is to implicitly suggest we don’t need them either.

* Moreover, in the generations since the Reformation, Rome has been able to win many Protestants back to the fold who have made incalculable contributions to the Church. St. John Henry Newman’s conversion ushered in a Catholic revival in England, and gave us a robust articulation of the concept of doctrinal development. The conversion of French Lutheran pastor Louis Bouyer influenced the teachings of Vatican II. Biblical scholar Scott Hahn’s conversion in the 1980s revitalized lay study of Holy Scripture.

Another popular argument in favor of limiting evangelization of Protestants involves the culture war. Catholics and theologically conservative Protestants, some claim, share significant common ground on various issues: abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, euthanasia, religious freedom, etc. Secularism, the sexual revolution, and anti-religious progressives represent an existential threat to the survival of both Catholics and Protestants, and thus we must work together, not debate one another. “Let’s hold back any criticism of them,” a person commenting on my article wrote. “Believe me, in the times that we are in, we need to all hang together, or we will definitely hang separately on gallows outside our own churches.”

This line of thought certainly has rhetorical force: we don’t have the luxury of debating with Protestants when the progressivists are planning our imminent demise! Ecumenical debate is a distraction from self-preservation. One problem with this argument is that it reduces our Christian witness to a zero-sum game – we have to focus all our efforts on fighting secular progressivism, or we’ll fail. Yet the Church has many missions in the public square – that Catholics invest great energy in the pro-life movement doesn’t mean we shouldn’t also focus our efforts on other important matters: health-care, education, ensuring religious freedom, or fighting poverty and environmental degradation. All of these, in different ways, are a part of human flourishing. Even if we consider some questions more urgent than others, none of them should be ignored.

Besides, there is a vast difference between mere polemics and charitable, fruitful discussions aimed at resolving disagreements. The former can certainly cause bad blood. The latter, however, can actually foster unity and clarity regarding our purposes. Consider how much more fruitful our fight against the devastation of the sexual revolution would be if we persuaded Protestants that they need to reject things like contraception and the more permissive stance towards divorce that they have allowed to seep into their churches. Consider how non-Christians could learn from charitable ecumenical conversations that don’t devolve into name-calling and vilification.

Finally, abandoning or minimizing the evangelizing of Protestants is to fail to recognize how their theological and philosophical premises have contributed to the very problems we now confront. As Brad Gregory’s book The Unintended Reformation demonstrates, the very nature of Protestantism has contributed to the individualism, secularism, and moral relativism of our age. A crucial component to our Catholic witness, then, is helping Protestants to recognize this, since even when they have the best intentions, their very paradigm undermines their contributions to collaborating with us in the culture war.

I for one am very grateful that Catholics – many of them former Protestants – persuaded me to see the problems inherent to Protestantism, and the indisputable truths of Catholicism. My salvation was at stake. I also found and married a devout Catholic woman, and am raising Catholic children. The Catholic tradition taught me how to pray, worship, and think in an entirely different way. It pains me to think what my life would be like if I hadn’t converted to Catholicism.

Why bother to evangelize devout Protestants? Because they are people like me.


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To: infool7
You left out:

And do what ever an apparition assumed to be 'Mary' tells you.


81 posted on 08/09/2020 4:24:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
“And you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you mind on earth shall be bound in heaven...”Matthew 16:18-19 Christ delegated authority to His Church.


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 

 

 • Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

 

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

 

Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

 

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

 

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

 

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

 

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):

Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

82 posted on 08/09/2020 4:26:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
You must have missed the words of Jesus:

Call no man father.


83 posted on 08/09/2020 4:27:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
We should stop trying to evangelize Protestants, some Catholics say. “Let’s get our own house clean first, before we invite our fellow Christians in,”

Even IF y'all "clean" your own house, there's no way I would ever rejoin. I'm a better, more genuine Christian now than I ever was as a cradle Catholic. Here's a thought...why don't you evangelize the real lost souls after that house cleaning gets done? Perhaps with the TRUE gospel this time.

84 posted on 08/09/2020 4:43:12 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Elsie

The same way you explain how Judas betrayed Jesus, who is God incarnate.

People do bad things. And the church is composed of these sinners.


85 posted on 08/09/2020 4:44:42 PM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: metmom
Communion was meant to be a ceremony of remembrance, not a participation in a perpetually ongoing sacrifice

Really? Do you honestly believe that - or just have to believe it ? You need to learn more of St. Paul and the earliest Christians.... and stop interpreting scripture to fit your needs...... St. Paul musta thought it was something more than a “ceremony” for HIS mission....

”For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. “

How can anyone deny this? Christ never said it was a ceremony in John 6 in Capernaum, and ALLOWED MANY DISCIPLES to walk away...... and the Last Supper was the enbodiment of the Fourth Cup....again not a ceremony...

It’s very discouraging to hear people so indebted to the Bible and yet refuse to understand its meaning..... yes there needs to be MORE education all around because the Bible studies ain’t gettin it......
86 posted on 08/09/2020 4:46:28 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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To: Elsie

That statement alone shows why Protestants need evangelizing.

So do you call Paul a heretic for saying that is right that his disciples should call him father?


87 posted on 08/09/2020 4:46:52 PM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: Elsie
note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession

And then in the same breath....CHRIST GIVES PETER the keys to something.....his cart perhaps? What are these keys about?...and what’s with the “ bind and loose” stuff.... what’s going on there? .. you need to add that in your comment as well.....

Who knew they got it wrong for those first 1500 years.....sinners all of them!
88 posted on 08/09/2020 4:52:37 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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To: ADSUM

“ So how does one accept God if they do no fully believe in His Word and ignores what He tell us?”

Here’s the key:

What you claim the passages mean, and what they mean, are different.

Ergo, it is simple to believe what God inspired.


89 posted on 08/09/2020 4:53:13 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: Gil4

“ There are plenty of tares among the wheat.

Exactly why all Catholics, orthodox, and every other denomination’s members should be evangelized.


90 posted on 08/09/2020 4:55:48 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: MurphsLaw

may as well but u likely to do much . I try to introduce Romans to the Gospel of Grace every chance I get.


91 posted on 08/09/2020 4:57:14 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: SkyPilot

AMEN!


92 posted on 08/09/2020 4:58:26 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ADSUM

“ It was passed down to Catholics through Sacred Tradition before Scriptures were written

Yet never in writing before 100 ad... not in scripture, secular writings, contemporary art, etc.

Peculiar, if it were true.


93 posted on 08/09/2020 4:58:39 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: Texas_Guy

That rebellious priest returned to the Gospel of Grace preached by Paul and the apostles 1500 years earlier shedding the tortuous middle of works and made up rules that the Romans try to impose on people. I’ll take the Truth of the Bible over the lies and idolatry of Rome every day


94 posted on 08/09/2020 4:59:59 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Manly Warrior

Basically I was agreeing with you.


95 posted on 08/09/2020 5:08:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: MurphsLaw

I’m not “interpreting” Scripture because I am reading what it says and not trying to make Scripture mean something it doesn’t say.

*Do this in remembrance of me,* means remembrance, not participation.


96 posted on 08/09/2020 5:14:45 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Thought so after I reread it, mea culpa sister.


97 posted on 08/09/2020 5:24:54 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

And, most scholars, theological and secular pretty much agree that the NT in its entirety was written and likely widely disseminated by 100 AD or so. There are some 10000 copies and fragments of copies in hand today. More than any other important writing from antiquity, to include OT, Plato etc.


98 posted on 08/09/2020 5:28:08 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

No problem....


99 posted on 08/09/2020 5:31:48 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mom MD

Romans 2:16 tells us we are all going to be judged by that Gospel.

“In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING to MY GOSPEL.”

That is the gospel that was given by Jesus Christ to Paul for us. That’s why Paul refers to it as “my gospel”.


100 posted on 08/09/2020 5:38:33 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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