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Posted on 08/09/2020 7:46:24 AM PDT by MurphsLaw
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:
• Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:
'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.
• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:
You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].
• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:
'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455
• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:
Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)
• Cyril of Alexandria:
When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.
• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'
“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)
• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):
Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.
Even IF y'all "clean" your own house, there's no way I would ever rejoin. I'm a better, more genuine Christian now than I ever was as a cradle Catholic. Here's a thought...why don't you evangelize the real lost souls after that house cleaning gets done? Perhaps with the TRUE gospel this time.
The same way you explain how Judas betrayed Jesus, who is God incarnate.
People do bad things. And the church is composed of these sinners.
That statement alone shows why Protestants need evangelizing.
So do you call Paul a heretic for saying that is right that his disciples should call him father?
“ So how does one accept God if they do no fully believe in His Word and ignores what He tell us?”
Here’s the key:
What you claim the passages mean, and what they mean, are different.
Ergo, it is simple to believe what God inspired.
“ There are plenty of tares among the wheat.
Exactly why all Catholics, orthodox, and every other denomination’s members should be evangelized.
may as well but u likely to do much . I try to introduce Romans to the Gospel of Grace every chance I get.
AMEN!
“ It was passed down to Catholics through Sacred Tradition before Scriptures were written
Yet never in writing before 100 ad... not in scripture, secular writings, contemporary art, etc.
Peculiar, if it were true.
That rebellious priest returned to the Gospel of Grace preached by Paul and the apostles 1500 years earlier shedding the tortuous middle of works and made up rules that the Romans try to impose on people. I’ll take the Truth of the Bible over the lies and idolatry of Rome every day
Basically I was agreeing with you.
I’m not “interpreting” Scripture because I am reading what it says and not trying to make Scripture mean something it doesn’t say.
*Do this in remembrance of me,* means remembrance, not participation.
Thought so after I reread it, mea culpa sister.
And, most scholars, theological and secular pretty much agree that the NT in its entirety was written and likely widely disseminated by 100 AD or so. There are some 10000 copies and fragments of copies in hand today. More than any other important writing from antiquity, to include OT, Plato etc.
No problem....
Romans 2:16 tells us we are all going to be judged by that Gospel.
“In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ACCORDING to MY GOSPEL.”
That is the gospel that was given by Jesus Christ to Paul for us. That’s why Paul refers to it as “my gospel”.
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