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To: ADSUM

You really have no idea of what I know, or don’t know.
You’re projecting.

I don’t mock God or Jesus.

He did one of two things in those verses..

Called Peter Satan
Or
Recognized that Satan spoke through Peter

You see I don’t and didn’t attack you personally like you’ve done in your post.

I quoted scripture then asked a question.
Lol again, look at the verse...it’s not me, is Jesus’s own words.

Peter is not the rock upon which the church is built.

The ROCK (Petra) upon which it is built is upon the truth that Peter uttered in the first part of the verses I posted.

Five verses later this same mouth was used by Satan.

That’s the point.

We’re ALL told to go make disciples.

Key difference?
Man worship and the worship of things of this world, verses what Jesus actually says

Interesting...you failed to post Jesus’s next words to the fisherman...

[Peter] “...You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

I know why you avoided this =o)

All men are flawed
It just happens to be that one particular religion venerates sinful humans to the false co-equal position of the Creator who is blessed forever.

In this it is temporal and a failed works based system.
In today’s world, Jesus would call them a brood of vipers.

Jesus would apply the same words be applied to the Pharisees to this religion.
It’s the same.


219 posted on 07/20/2020 12:23:46 PM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: SheepWhisperer

Again you mock and don’t believe the Words of Jesus and His Church.

Maybe one day you will understand and really believe God’s Truth and not sin against the 8th Commandment.

Your comment; “Peter is not the rock upon which the church is built.”

So you contradict God’s Truth? Begone Satan!


221 posted on 07/20/2020 12:46:38 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: SheepWhisperer

Accurate Catholic Teaching alert!!!


Peter is not the rock upon which the church is built.


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 

 

 • Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

 

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

 

Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

 

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

 

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

 

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

 

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):

Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

236 posted on 07/20/2020 4:17:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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