Your comment: “All of which pompous bombastic assertions are begging the question, presuming the very thing you have failed to substantiate, versus distinctive Catholic teachings not being manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed - which you ignored - while your parroted claim is based upon the the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial veracity, which is just one of the unScriptural distinctive Catholic teachings.”
Catholic teachings based on the Word of God, Sacred Tradition passed down from Jesus are well documented.
You don’t accept and reject specific key parts of God’s Word and instead believe in the sinful man made understanding of God’s words.
As you have indicated that you are a lapsed catholic, yet you reject the Catholic Church, the authority of the Pope, the Mass, the Sacraments, The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
You may believe whatever you want and criticize the Catholic Church (our many sins and errors)but you should avoid telling lies about the Catholic faith (8th Commandment).
The Church is a holy mystery because of her origin in the Holy Trinity and her mission to be the Sacrament of Salvation. As a catholic, we have an obligation to keep the precepts of the church (Attend Mass, Confess sins, Receive Eucharist and observe fasting and abstinence).
So by leaving the Catholic Church and forgoing your obligations, do you believe that God will forgive your mortal sins if you fail to make a good confession before your death?
All are welcome and all may return to God’s Truth. Yes the Church has liberal and conservative members but it is still our responsibility to Love God and neighbor.
Salvation is found only in Christ, and not the Roman Catholic Church.
As such, any Catholic who comes to saving faith is now part of His heavenly Body of Christ.
Most leave the earthly Roman church once they come to know Him.
“ So by leaving the Catholic Church and forgoing your obligations, do you believe that God will forgive your mortal sins if you fail to make a good confession before your death”
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Done and done!
“It is finished.”
- Jesus Christ
2nd Corinthians 5:21, “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
Romans 4:5, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.“
“ Sacred Tradition passed down from Jesus are well documented.
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No evidence of most of these traditions appear before 100 ad
Most are found in the pagan religions of the Roman Empire, however.
Curious.
“ All are welcome and all may return to God’s Truth”
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Trade salvation and eternal security, and Christ for dead rituals that cannot save??
No sale FRiend.
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Jesus Predicts His Death
21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
A church built upon Satan?
Hmmmmmmmm
IZZAT so?
Where?
Once again you are resorting to argument by mere question-begging assertions, of what you can only wish was substantiated as True, that the Word of God is RC Sacred Tradition passed down from Jesus. Rather than the veracity of distinctive Catholic teachings being based upon substantiation, esp. Scriptural substantiation in word and in power as was the Truth claims of the NT church, instead - as said and ignored - for a faithful Catholic their confidence is based upon the the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial veracity.
Consider the (assumed) Assumption, belief in which was made a requirement over 1700 years after the alleged event occurred, as as admitted by one of your popular apologists,
"where is the proof from Scripture? Strictly, there is none. It was the Catholic Church that was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly. The mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definitely true is a guarantee that it is true.” — Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988), p. 275.
And as for substantiation, Ratzinger himself admitted,
Before Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was defined, all theological faculties in the world were consulted for their opinion. Our teachers' answer was emphatically negative... Altaner, the patrologist from Wurzburg¦had proven in a scientifically persuasive manner that the doctrine of Mary's bodily Assumption into heaven was unknown before the 5C; this doctrine, therefore, he argued, could not belong to the "apostolic tradition. And this was his conclusion, which my teachers at Munich shared.
But...subsequent "remembering" (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it has not caught sight of previously ["caught sight of?" Because there was nothing to see in the earliest period where it should have been, before a fable developed] .." (Joseph Ratzinger, Milestones (Ignatius, n.d.), pp. 58-59; emp. mine).
More doumentation on this here, by the grace of God.
Which "remembering" of what fails to be documented where it ought to be found is consistent with the wishful premise of Manning, which I provided to you before:
It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine... I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity....Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves...The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour. — Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Archbishop of Westminster, The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation (New York: J.P. Kenedy & Sons, originally written 1865, reprinted with no date), pp. 227-228.
In contrast to your faith in your church, the apostles established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, and God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of authoritative preservation. (Exodus 17:14; 34:1,27; Deuteronomy 10:4; 17:18; 27:3,8; 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15,18-19, 30-31; Psalm 19:7-11; 119; Psalm 102:18; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; Matthew 4:5-7; 22:29; Luke 24:44,45; John 5:46,47; John 20:31; Acts 17:2,11; 18:28; Revelation 1:1; 20:12, 15;
Thus as is abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.
It was not because oral tradition preserved the Word of God that brought about a national revival, but because of the wholly inspired-of-God written word:
And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan. (2 Chronicles 34:15)
Then Shaphan the scribe told the king, saying, Hilkiah the priest hath given me a book. And Shaphan read it before the king. And it came to pass, when the king had heard the words of the law, that he rent his clothes. (2 Chronicles 34:18-19)
And the king went up into the house of the Lord, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant that was found in the house of the Lord. And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the Lord, to walk after the Lord, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book. (2 Chronicles 34:30-31)
Moreover, men such as the apostles could speak as wholly inspired of God and also provide new public revelation thereby (in conflation with what had been written), neither of popes and councils claim to do. Yet even the veracity of preaching of apostles was subject to testing by Scripture
And thus as for them, Scripture is the supreme standard as the only wholly God-inspired and faithful substantive word of God, as understood by the NT church, which understanding is shown in Acts - Rev, showing how they understood the gospels, and in which distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest.
As you have indicated that you are a lapsed catholic, yet you reject the Catholic Church, the authority of the Pope, the Mass, the Sacraments, The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
Indeed, for to be a NT Christian (though in heart and deed I certain come short of all i should be) is to reject the errors of the Catholic Church, the authority of the Pope, the Mass, the Sacraments, The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. praying to created beings in Heaven, and all other distinctive Catholic teachings that are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed .
You may believe whatever you want and criticize the Catholic Church (our many sins and errors)but you should avoid telling lies about the Catholic faith (8th Commandment).
Rather, your desperate charge makes you guilty of lying, since you have not and cannot prove that I have been "telling lies about the Catholic faith, and which I document, unlike you.
The Church is a holy mystery because of her origin in the Holy Trinity...
Which is simply more recourse to parroting vain assertions which are contrary to what is documented. Do some RCs hope to obtain some sort of indulgence for such blind defense of your elitist false-gospel church?
So by leaving the Catholic Church and forgoing your obligations, do you believe that God will forgive your mortal sins if you fail to make a good confession before your death?
More recourse to question-begging logical fallacy, while based upon the well-documented facts of the ecclesiastical deformation that is Rome, the question is, do you think that by not leaving the Catholic Church but trusting in her self-proclaimed ensured veracity and treasury of merits, with her Indulgences and the hope of perfection thru her Purgatory in order to become good enough to enter Heaven, do you believe that God will forgive your mortal sins if you fail to become born again by Scriptural justification by effectual heart-purifying faith (Acts 10:43; 15:7-9) before your death?
Catholicism (and liberal Protestantism and Antinomianism) has tragically become as the gate of Hell to multitudes, to their horror.
. Yes the Church has liberal and conservative members
And you expect that we should leave conservative evangelical fellowships and make Ted Kennedy Catholics our brethren? Rather, Scripture commands
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?...Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14,17-18)
I come too short myself in all I should be and so many great men such as Jonathan Edwards, Matthew Henry and such were, without compromising by fellowship with Rome with its liberalism as well as false doctrines.