Posted on 07/13/2020 7:27:43 PM PDT by metmom
"For those who disbelieve, 'the stone which the builders rejected, this became the very corner stone,' and, 'a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense'; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed" (1 Pet. 2:7-8).
Rejecting Christ leads to spiritual damnation.
Israel was a unique nation, chosen by God to be the guardian of His Word and proclaimer of His kingdom. The Old Testament records His miraculous and providential care for her throughout the centuries, and the prophets told of One who would come as her great Deliverer. Israel eagerly awaited the promised Messiah.
But the story has a surprise ending. In the Person of Jesus Christ, the Messiah finally came and presented Himself to Israel. The religious leaders examined Him carefully, measuring Him in every way they could. But He didn't fit their blueprint. They expected a reigning political Messiah who would instantly deliver them from Roman oppression. They felt no need for a spiritual deliverer, so they rejected Him and tossed Him aside like a worthless rock.
That rejected cornerstone is precious to believers but remains a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to unbelievers. A "stone of stumbling" was a stone on which someone tripped while walking along the road. A "rock of offense" was a rock large enough to crush a person. The point: rejecting Christ brings spiritual devastation of enormous proportions.
All who reject Christ do so because they are disobedient to the Word. Rebellion against the written Word inevitably leads to rejection of the living Word. Of such people Peter said, "To this doom they were also appointed" (v. 8). They weren't appointed to reject Christ, but to receive the judgment that their rejection demands. That's a frightening reality that should motivate you to take every opportunity to evangelize the lost.
Suggestions for Prayer
If you have family or friends who are rejecting Christ, pray for them often, asking God to grant them saving faith.
For Further Study
Read Romans 9:30-10:17, noting Israel's false standard of righteousness and Paul's prayer for her salvation.
And how do you prove all thing??? With the writings of Homer or Plato or Socrates??? No you prove all things with an infallible source...
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
You read the bible and 'judge' what is right, from the bible...You can't take a single verse out of the bible and make a doctrine out of it...
Well if you don’t understand history, you are doomed to repeat it.
It is part of the mystery of how God works and protects His Catholic Church and helps mankind. We give thanks to God when he answers our prayers.
Not everything can be proved scientifically. We keep learning more about how wonderful God is and God helps us advance in our understanding.
For example, protestant doctrines, some things can’t be proved, they are merely speculations or opinions that stretch logic and reason and sometimes contradict the actual words of Jesus.
Give examples or we see your assertion as merely opinion festered by the ‘other religion’ (as Paul identified it), catholiciism. Your pope is proving your religion is just as valid as Islam. Too soon you will be told to embrace Chrislam ... and you will do as you are told because satan coes with all signs and lying wonders.
Your comment: “There’s your problem...Somehow thinking that your reason and logic and wisdom are equal with God’s...God never trusted man’s logic, why would you??? “
So we are to believe the fallible words of Luther and other protestant false teachers and believers. So why do you quote St Paul and try to attribute God’s wisdom/conversation to Paul to protestant versions of scripture?
Some may have tried to show the Catholic faith contrary to the Bible, but all have failed with their fallible reasoning.
I rely not only on my own logic and reasoning, but on the Catholic teachings passed down by Christ and the Apostles for 2000 years and many Catholic scholars. While you may not recognize the infallible authority that Christ gave to His Apostles and their successors (His Catholic Church), it was fully documented in the Bible.
You still didn’t answer the questions:
Jesus is the Word made flesh. His word is the Truth that we should follow. So why are there so many different doctrines among christian churches that proclaim His Truth?
How can all the different fallible protestant doctrines be God’s Truth?
Your comment: “You’re going to have to try much harder to convince people of your ideas. “
It is the Holy Spirit that will inspire you if you are open to God’s Truth.
He already did.
That’s why I’m following Christ and left the homosexual infiltrated, islam supporting, corrupt and immoral religious organization known as the (Roman) Catholic church.
You clearly don’t even know what that verse even means, otherwise you wouldn’t post it.
Why don’t you include the next few verses?
Like Matthew 7:6?
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
The rosary is pure unadulterated blasphemy and a slap in the face to Christ.
Every idol word and thought - I guess that means posts too.
They just keep digging don’t they?
Powerful testimony Bro!
I was once asked point-blank how I knew I was going to Heaven when I 19. I was a defender of the RC faith and spit out the standard “righteous works”, “sacraments”, and all the other filthy rags I was taught growing up.
He quoted me some verses which I had no idea about since we were never taught to read the Bible as Catholics (Isaiah 64:6 & Romans 3:19-23 & 3:10).
I got “woke” then. Started devouring Scripture and a few months later, decided to never go back to the RCC again.
It’s a Free Gift - a Winning Lottery Ticket - for all Eternity. No way I’m giving that up!
ONLY JESUS = HEAVEN
All other roads = HELL
How can a pedophile priest be a representative of God.? How can a pedophile commie priest transmogrify a wheat wafer into the body, blood, and divinity of The Lord Christ so you can eat God into your spirit by way of your gut? You remain clueless, substituting the flesh for the spiritual.
Then why do you have so much hatred in your heart?
Salvation:
I’m telling you right now - DO NOT EVER FREEPMAIL ME Again.
I’m asking you kindly...this time.
Don’t do it!
“ For example, protestant doctrines, some things can’t be proved, they are merely speculations or opinions that stretch logic and reason and sometimes contradict the actual words of Jesus.”
I don’t believe any doctrine if it isn’t formed in Scripture.
Half of what Catholicism comes via paganism.
“ So why are there so many different doctrines among christian churches that proclaim His Truth?”
Indeed - so many thousands of interpretations and personal doctrines among Romans??
It does seem unusual.
Half don’t seem to acknowledge the pope, who was chosen by the cardinals.
And 35-75% of priests are gay and not in alignment with what is officially taught.
It is hard to explain.
Do you know how this could be?
Ummmm......
Look in the mirror.
THE RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- There are many!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2978293/posts?page=42#42
(Alexandrian: Coptic Rite
Ethiopic Rite
Antiochian:
Maronite Rite
(West) Syrian Rite
Malankara Rite
Armenian Rite:
Armenian Rite
Chaldean or East Syrian:
Chaldean Rite
Syro-Malabar Rite
Byzantine Rite (Constantinopolitan):
Byzantine
Latin (Western) liturgical rites:
Roman Rite
Pre-Tridentine Mass (the various pre-1570 forms)
Tridentine Mass
Mass of Paul VI
Anglican Use
Ambrosian Rite
Rite of Braga
Mozarabic Rite
Catholic Order Rites (generally defunct):
Benedictine Rite
Carmelite Rite
Carthusian Rite
Cistercian Rite
Dominican Rite
Franciscan Rite
Friars Minor Capuchin Rite
Premonstratensian Rite
Servite Rite
Catholic autonomous particular Churches:
Latin Church with Latin liturgical traditions
Eastern Catholic Churches
Alexandrian liturgical tradition:
Coptic Catholic Church
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Eritrean Catholic Church
Antiochian liturgical tradition:
Maronite Church
Syrian Catholic Church
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Armenian liturgical tradition:
Armenian Catholic Church
Chaldean or East Syrian liturgical tradition:
Chaldean Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
Byzantine liturgical tradition:
Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church
Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
Byzantine Church of Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro
Greek Byzantine Catholic Church
Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
Melkite Greek Catholic Church
Romanian Church United with Rome, Greek-Catholic
Russian Greek Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church
Slovak Greek Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church)
The Eastern Orthodox differ with Roman Catholicism on these issues:
The Holy Spirit (the filioque)
In EO - The third person of the Trinity, proceeding from the Father alone as in the original Nicene Creed. The Father sends the Spirit at the intercession of the Son. The Son is therefore an agent only in the procession of the Spirit.
In RC - 'When the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, He is not separated from the Father, He is not separated from the Son'.
Mary - Assumption and Immaculate conception of
EO - The Assumption is accepted and it is agreed that Mary experienced physical death, but the Immaculate conception is rejected. Orthodox belief is that the guilt of original sin is not transmitted from one generation to the next, thus obviating the need for Mary to be sinless.
RC - Both are dogmas of the church. The church has not as yet decided whether Mary actually experienced Physical death. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception states that Mary, was at conception 'preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin' and should not be confused with the virgin birth.
Pope - Authority of
EO - As the Bishop of Rome, he has a primacy of honour when Orthodox, not of jurisdiction. At present, his primacy is not effective as the papacy needs to be reformed in accordance with Orthodoxy. His authority is thus no greater or lesser than any of his fellow Bishops in the church.
RC - The Pope is the 'Vicar of Christ' i.e. the visible head of the church on earth and spiritual successor of St. Peter. He has supreme authority (including that over church councils) within Christendom (The Power of the keys).
Pope - Infallibility of
EO - Papal Infallibility is rejected. The Holy Spirit acts to guide the church into truth through (for example) ecumenical councils. This Orthodoxy recognises the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787) as being infallible.
RC - The Pope is infallible when, through the Holy Spirit, he defines a doctrine on faith and morals that is to be held by the whole church. This is a dogma and is therefore a required belief within Catholicism.
Purgatory
EO - An intermediate state between earth and heaven is recognised, but cleansing and purification occur in this life, not the next.
RC - A place of cleansing and preparation for heaven. Also a place where the punishment due to unremitted venial sins may be expiated.
I'd say these were the "biggies", but other differences also exist. These are explained here.
1.2 billion different interpretations of Catholicism.
Because that's what's there...No one tries to make scripture fit Protestant church and protestant doctrine...People read the scriptures and build their churches based on those scriptures (alone) and non Catholic churches are created...You guys call them Protestant...
A Catholic religion can't be created based on the scriptures...The scriptures condemn your Catholic doctrine time after time...You have to remove scriptures, ignore scriptures and outright contradict scriptures to what amounts to, usurp the legitimacy of the actual churches Jesus Christ built...
You guys claim to be the bride of Christ when the wedding hasn't even taken place yet...You claim your Church is the kingdom God promised...The bible says NO...
Some may have tried to show the Catholic faith contrary to the Bible, but all have failed with their fallible reasoning.
Has nothing to do with reasoning...It ALL has to do with believing...We don't have to twist scripture to interpret it...We just have to believe it...
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
So do you believe that or not???
Is that a condemnation of your religion or no???
I rely not only on my own logic and reasoning, but on the Catholic teachings passed down by Christ and the Apostles for 2000 years
No, No, No....Why be dishonest...There is no evidence that Jesus Christ passed down any Catholic teaching...Same for the apostles...
While you may not recognize the infallible authority that Christ gave to His Apostles and their successors (His Catholic Church), it was fully documented in the Bible.
Well I'd like to see that documentation...The apostle John was the last apostle...The early church was built and led by the apostles...Jesus, who hasn't left heaven since he went there sent the Holy Spirit to lead his churches...
Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
How can the church be led by a spirit, you say??? That's because the church is a spiritual church, NOT a physical Catholic Church...And if you don't get that, you obviously are not a member...
Boy you are rich in ignorance aren’t you?
You’re going to question God & The Holy Spirit about hating evil?
HATE EVIL = COMMAND BY GOD
Proverbs 3:8
Proverbs 13:5
Psalm 97:10
Amos 5:15
Romans 12:9
Psalm 119:128
Psalm 119:163
Hebrews 1:9
& lastly....Psalm 26:5
There are plenty more verses where these came from too.
Actually, multiple rites only means a multiplicity of liturgical forms and customs, NOT of doctrine.
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