Posted on 06/22/2020 12:52:22 AM PDT by Cronos
I used to think (in the 90s) that Meyer was ok. I don’t think so any more — what do you think of Paula White?
How Muslim of him.
I used to think (in the 90s) that Meyer was ok. I don’t think so any more — what do you think of Paula White?
Never have watched or listened to her. What I see around makes me think, one of the hucksters. Also part of the current POTUS' disreputable gaggle of religious advisors.
See where? You link is to a bunch of stories, not a doctrinal statement of sorts. Regardless, your extrapolation is like saying the definition of a Catholic that separates them from a Protestant is that they pray to departed brethren, thereby making Santeria Catholic.
And as regards instantaneous 'born again,' your own faith believes this regeneration is what occurs in baptism, regardless of the absence of the required (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) repentant faith, and regenerating, heart-purifying faith is what Peter preached. (Acts 10:43; 15:7-9).
How can you say that unless you have a doctrinal statement of sorts on that church? And if Francis can be deemed to be a non-Catholic by multitudes of your brethren then we should be able to class this as a fringe Pentecostal church, which was reported 2 years ago as "poking on walls and sidewalks of the city with the sayings "Bible yes, Constitution no. Jesus will return in 2070." ...The faithful use metal molds. More than 200 were made and more than 2,000 spray paint tubes were spent.
And as regards Jews, even besides his unScriptural preaching of death to them, he is certainly in the minority as regards Israel:
82% of White evangelicals (blacks make up 6% of evangelicals, and 15% of all blacks), along with 84% of Orthodox Jews overall, versus 38% of Catholics and 16% of no-religion Jews, affirmed that God gave the land of Israel to the Jews. 50% of White evangelicals disagree that Israel and an independent Palestinian state can coexist peacefully. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/03/more-white-evangelicals-than-american-jews-say-god-gave-israel-to-the-jewish-people/
46% of white evangelical Protestants, versus 20% of Catholics, say that the U.S. is not providing enough support for Israel. 22% of Catholics think the level of support for Israel is to high, versus just 12% of White evangelicals . http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/02/27/strong-support-for-israel-in-u-s-cuts-across-religious-lines/
Asking Americans (June 2014) to rate eight religious groups on a “feeling thermometer” from 0 to 100, white evangelicals (6% of evangelicals are black) averaged 82 toward each other, 69 toward Jews (who averaged 34 toward them) and 63 toward Catholics, 30 toward Muslims, and 25 toward atheists (who averaged 28 toward them).
Catholics averaged 80 toward each other, 61 toward Jews (who averaged 58 toward them), 57 toward evangelical Christians, 40 toward Muslims and 38 toward atheists (who averaged 47 toward them). — http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/16/u-s-evangelical-christians-are-chilly-toward-atheists-and-the-feeling-is-mutual/
73% of evangelical leaders worldwide affirm that God’s covenant with the Jewish people continues today, and 60% hold mostly favorable views of Jews, though 33% think that Jews are unfriendly toward evangelicals. 48% say the state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy about the Second Coming of Jesus, while 42% say it is not, and 49% say they sympathize with both Israel and the Palestinians equally (http://www.pewforum.org/2011/06/22/global-survey-of-evangelical-protestant-leaders/)
He is as Christian as Reverend Wright or Reverend Al Sharpton. /spit
The Lutherans are called the Evangelical church of Augsburg
As regards the evangelical self-definition and differentiation in the USA based on what they think is "born again" -- and based on that, this Brazilian pastor is an evangelical pastor as the article points out
Hard to say what this man is and what Christian beliefs he may or may not have.
I can tell you I am not in fellowship with him, not do I know any evangelical believers that would support his hatred of Jews.
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To put this guy in Brazil (and a few dozen followers) in perspective:
Pope Innocent III, the Fourth Lateran Council, in 1215, adopted canons Nos. 67-70, decreeing the Roman Catholic attitude towards the Jews:(3)
(3) cf. Binius, Concilia Generalia, Vol. II, Tom. 3, p.695.
The first is financial, containing protective measures for Christians against the rapacity of Jews as userers. Only Jews were permitted to lend money at interest.
The second decrees that all Jews be distinguished for all time from Christians by color of dress and distinctive badge.
The third forbids Jews to have Christians as nurses, tutors, and domestic servants and forbids Christians to cohabit with Jews and Jewesses. Legal marriage with them was impossible.
The fourth forbids the acceptance of legal testimony of Jews against Christians and orders preference for the testimony of a Christian against a Jew. An order is also added that all in authority in Church and State must watch continually lest converted and baptized Jews continue to practice the rites of their former faith.
A few years later Pope Innocent III reiterates and confirms these edicts of the Lateran Council as follows:
“TO THE KING OF FRANCE THAT HE MUST CRUSH THE INSOLENCE OF THE JEWS RESIDING IN HIS KINGDOM,
Does this mean all Catholics are anti-Semite?
Have there ever been repealed??
Quite definitely you’re not in fellowship with him.
Neither are you, I’m guessing, in fellowship with Oneness Pentecostals (the ones that deny the Trinity). are you?
This pastor, as the Times of Israel points out, leads an tiny evangelical group that seems pretty controversial, as we see if we google the congregation’s name in Portuguese google.
Weird, considering Biblical teaching re Israel. Maybe they’re Protestant but not evangelical???
The more critical factor is why - why is he so anti-semitic. This evangelical church in Brazil is called "controversial" in the Brazilian press, but it doesn't say why they act that way. They are radically anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish.
Which part of the teachings are you referring to? I’ll ask an acquaintance who is a Danish pastor for his opinion
Indeed. I wish the Media would not call this Hate-mongering nutcase an “Evangelical”. He sounds more like a Jim Jones kind of cult leader. (Of course, the media called Jones a “Christian” too.)
But then, of course, the media loves to smear the Gospel and its Believers, by mislabeling characters like this as “Evangelicals”, “Christians”, or “Pentecostals”.
Personally, I like your label “Whackadoodle.”
Positive Christianity (German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which mixed the belief that the racial purity of the German people should be maintained by mixing Nazi ideology with elements of Christianity. Adolf Hitler used the term in article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, stating: "the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity".
hat said, in 1937, Hans Kerrl, the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, explained that "Positive Christianity" was not "dependent upon the Apostle's Creed", nor was it dependent on "faith in Christ as the son of God", upon which Christianity relied, rather, it was represented by the Nazi Party: "The Führer is the herald of a new revelation", he said
To accord with Nazi antisemitism, positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible. Based on such elements, positive Christianity separated itself from Nicene Christianity and as a result, it is considered apostate by all historically Trinitarian Christian churches, regardless of whether they are Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant.
Alfred Rosenberg, editor of Völkischer Beobachter, wrote The Myth of the Twentieth Century, in which he argued that the Catholic churches had distorted Christianity in such a way that the "heroic" and "Germanic" aspects of Jesus's life had been ignored.
The German Faith Movement founded by Jakob Wilhelm Hauer adopted a more thoroughly Aryanized form of the ideology, claiming to represent the essence of the "Protestant" spirit by mixing aspects of Christianity with ideas derived from "Aryan" religions such as Vedic Hinduism and "Aryo"-Persian religiosity (Manicheanism, etc.). They attempted to separate Nazi officials from church affiliations, banning nativity plays and calling for an end to daily prayers in schools
Now a key point to note is that this was related to the 19th century Prussian move to unite the Calvinist and Lutheran churches into one Evangelical Prussian church. This essentially made the evangelical church into another department of the Prussian state.
All was well and dandy in the northern German (mostly Protestant) union - but when they brought in Catholics, then Bismarck put in the Kulturkampf to destroy the church. he failed in his most spectacular failure
Whackadoodle is the correct term. More specifically American evangelicals should point out differences between them and other “evangelicals” — essentially if they all agree in the solas + “born again”, they can also disagree on other topics
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