"It opens doors, I'm telling you."
Posted on 02/19/2020 6:39:30 PM PST by marshmallow
Masonic Grand Master hails pronouncement as breakthrough in reconciliation
VIENNA (ChurchMilitant.com) - Eight popes over 200 years in a barrage of 20 legal interdicts have condemned Freemasonry, pronouncing automatic excommunication against any Catholic who becomes a member of a masonic lodge.
Now, a new book by an official of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue is claiming that a practicing Catholic can simultaneously be a Freemason and that the penalty of excommunication may "certainly not" be applied to "Catholic Freemasons."
Father Michael Heinrich Weninger launched his 500-page study Loge und Altar: Über die Aussöhnung von Katholischer Kirche und regulärer Freimaurerei (Lodge and Altar: On the Reconciliation of the Catholic Church and Regular Freemasonry) last Wednesday in Vienna, accompanied by Austrian Lodge Grand Master Georg Semler on the dais.
Semler identifies as a "committed Catholic," while Weninger, ordained by Cdl. Christoph Schönborn in 2011, was outed as a Freemason when celebrating Mass at the consecration of the new lodge of Mark Master Masons No. 1954 in 2014.
A masonic communiqué informed its members that "Bro. Rev. Michael was installed and invested as Chaplain in each of the three lodges," adding that Weninger was "well qualified since he lives in the Vatican as a member of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue but works in Rome."
Weninger says he has presented copies of his book to Pope Francis, to Schönborn and to high-ranking officials in the Roman Curia. Schönborn responded with "Nothing but goodwill," he bragged.
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The whole rotten bunch are dead to me.
The singular objective of Freemasonry is to DESTROY the CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!
Ping
"It opens doors, I'm telling you."
Not unlike Antipope Bergoglio.
See “Propaganda Due” - Masonic and totally mixed up with the Church in the 1970s
I’ve read somewhere that it is permissible (in the US?)
to be up to a third degree Mason and remain in communion
however beyond that you essentially self ex-communicate
something to do with the higher degrees and blood oaths but
don’t rely on my advice check with your local bishop or pastor
I believe that most US lodges(temples?) are benign towards the Church
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Please someone tell me how the masons core belief that as long as you worship “the creator” you are included in their club is different that your ccc 841 which says the same and has been affirmed with a couple different popes?
"Eight popes over 200 years in a barrage of 20 legal interdicts have condemned Freemasonry, pronouncing automatic excommunication against any Catholic who becomes a member of a masonic lodge. "
No Lodges are "benign towards the Church".
Just because its not on the meeting agenda doesn't mean the purpose is "benign".
The most basic oath is a blood oath.
Here are the basis of the oaths. You can determine yourself if it is worthy of Christian acceptance. In the first three initiate degrees (Blue Lodge), the initiate asks for Light, then for further light, then more light, and recites these as their oath:
Apprentice: “To all of which I do most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, without the least equivocation, mental reservation, or self evasion of mind in me whatever; binding myself under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water-mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-hours; so help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.”
Fellow Craft: “To all which I do most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear without the least hesitation, mental reservation, or self evasion of mind in me whatever; binding myself under no less penalty than to have my left breast torn open and my heart and vitals taken from thence and thrown over my left shoulder and carried into the valley of Jehosaphat, there to become a prey to the wild beasts of the field, and vulture of the air, if ever I should prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this my solemn oath or obligation of a Fellow Craft Mason; so help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.”
Master: “Furthermore do I promise and swear that if any part of my solemn oath or obligation be omitted at this time, that I will hold myself amenable thereto whenever informed. To all which I do most sincerely promise and swear, with a fixed and steady purpose of mind in me to keep and perform the same, binding myself under no less penalty than to have my body severed in two in the midst, and divided to the north and south, my bowels burnt to ashes in the center, and the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that there might not the least track or trace of remembrance remain among men. or Masons, of so vile and perjured a wretch as I should be, were I ever to prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this my solemn oath or obligation of a Master Mason. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the duo, performance of the same.”
>https://jimdukeperspective.com/freemason-initiation-oath/
I believe you were misinformed, probably by a "catholic" freemason, clerics not excluded.
839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."
Unghh
Do they tell you in advance the oath you’ll have to swear?
If not do they let you leave without swearing it or
do they just slit your throat and pull out your tongue ect....
right there on the spot?
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Nope.
Any idea of what this actually refers to?
Not that it matters since I would be highly skeptical
to associate with those that take these oaths either lightly or seriously
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Are you a freemason?
You seem very receptive to masonry.
Sorry, P2 Lodge’s charter was revoked by the Grand Orient of Italy. It ceased to exist as a Masonic Lodge at that point. Furthermore, the master of the lodge was expelled from Masonry. Those are the most severe punishments that the Masons can inflict, and serves as proof that what was going on there was not condoned by the Masons.
Anything thereafter which occurred is no fault of the Masons.
“The singular objective of Freemasonry is to DESTROY the CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!”
Calm down and lay of the conspiracy theories, mmmkay?
No, not at all.
I’ve know a few and suspected some others.
One friend that had left the Masons and
eventually converted, confirmed without
going into details the incompatibilities.
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Are you a freemason?
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