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Posted on 11/12/2019 5:43:15 AM PST by Cronos
....The vast majority of popular churches teach that believers will be called up to Heaven before the tribulation. Simply stated, the Bible does not support this claim.
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In many scriptures of the Bible, there is a “falling away” or discussion of great deceptions that are coming to the world. It has been hard for believers in Christ to comprehend the possibility of the masses falling away from Christianity because faith has been a powerful part of society for nearly two millenniums, but we are seeing it today. Moreover, we are seeing the spreading of a seed that will cause further apostasy among believers in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior: the myth of a pre-tribulation rapture.
The not-so-simple answer is that Satan is pushing this as part of his agenda. It is Satan that rules the earth. His goal is to pull as many people away from the faith as possible, which is why he and his minions began deceiving Christians at their core starting in the early 19th century with the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture. He has brought about and continues to bring about waves of deceptions to pull people away from even considering the Word of the Bible, but this particular deception is to attack those who are wanting to be strong in their faith. It’s designed to shake the spirits of the believers to the point of non-belief.
Think about it. If you make people believe that they are not going to face suffering, that they are “special” and will avoid all of the troubles that will engulf the world, then they are weakened as a result.
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The prettiest rapture fits with Scrioture from Genesis when Enoch was raptures through Revelation. Take and defend any position you want regarding the end times but the pre trib or pre wrath reputed can be well supported with Scripture
pretrib not prettiest! autocorrect may be the biggest threat of all
That’s my take too. I was a pre-tribulationist, I then became a mid-tribulationist (it’s really pre-wrath, post tribulation) and am now a “pan-tribulationist”. i.e. it will all pan out in the end.
I’ve decided to put my faith in what Jesus said, not how other people interpret what Jesus said. And Christianity is a “spirit of the law” faith rather that a “letter of the law” faith.
It’s not about specific rules, etc. It’s about a general world view that followers of Christ develop. It’s about growing a relationship with my Creator and relationships with my fellow man. Arguing these specifics is really pointless. We are warned against it in several places in the New Testament.
It contradicts the Second Coming of Christ.
If you pretend "but his feet don't touch the ground" is a scriptural argument, don't bother.
those who are saved by Jesus and losses the indwelling Holy Spirit will be fine no matter what they believe about the rapture
there are 2 second comings of Christ. One in the air for His Church and one 7 years later on the Mount of Olives with His Church to begin His millennial reign.
Consistent with theological discussion, the author puts words in the mouth of the pre-Trib rapture people.
Pre-Trib teachers do not say that there will be no persecution of the church prior to the big signal that starts the seven-year clock: the signing of a peace treaty in the Middle East.
The approach of the last days is signaled by birth pains, and believers will have trouble.
We can debate the timing of the church being taken up, but calling the other guy’s view satanic is just immature.
“The pre-Trib rap story - is it from Satan?”
Pre-trib rapture is a vision that a 16 year old Scottish girl had back in the 1800s and it gained popularity etc... here’s a video that talks to history:
I’m not a great Bible researcher but if you look at the Sermon on the Mount of Olives, right afterwards the disciples and Jesus gathered together and he explained the meaning of the parable that he told on the Mount of Olives (the tares and the wheat).
Jesus explained it and it certainly isn’t a pre-tribulation.
A lot of people don’t agree with that, to the point that inventions of differing scenarios have been formulated, propagated,and have been accepted by more than a few denominations. And the denominations are sticking to their concoction of scriptural conundrums.
At one point I asked myself, would the Bible be so confusing that they would put little hints here and there and everywhere throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament to pull together some kind of a theory or hypothesis?
I don’t think so, because I don’t find the Bible all that confusing. It does require some translation and it does require some thinking and it does require maybe an outline to help one through, but it’s pretty straightforward.
I don’t think the Lord would want us to be totally confused about his own Word. And under that premise, I don’t think he would invent this jigsaw puzzle of a Rapture Theory for everybody to get totally confused over.
Like the old gospel song says “Jesus said it”
The devil is a liar.
I agree. Arguing about this is ridiculous. We have people redefining marriage to include homosexual marriage. we have schools teaching children sexual deviance, the Catholic Church placing pagan idols in St Peters, we have “ Christian ministers and laity denying the Resurrection of Christ. We have people in America that have no concept of Christ or Christian teaching and people argue Post, mid or pre rapture? I like you are a Pan rapture individual, it all pans out in the end.
Uh.....NO!
The book of the Apocalypse--the Revelation--the unveiling of th tribulation and its consequences, written AFTER Tisha b'Av, completely negates and wipes out your false premise.
Your totally false premise and whatever you say henceforth in this thread that you have drummed up, deserves no further attention.
The biggest threat to Christians is the teaching of the anti-Christ, which came into Israel after the death of the Apostles, and that teaching is the idea that the Torah has been done away with. The result is that the eternal standards of Heaven are obsolete and that Man must determine right from wrong. What we are seeing today is the collapse of Christianity at large. In fact church teaching is now in direct opposition to the very words of Jesus in Matthew 5. He said the Torah is eternal. Having cut themselves free from the Tree of Life, the Churches began to drift and the result, over time, was idolatry and humanism. Now we are seeing the manifestation of “the Man of sin.” The actual word is “anomia”, which means “without the Torah.” It’s time for all true believers everywhere to Repent, and return to the loving instruction of the Father.
The biggest threat to Christians are non-Christians that demand they stop being religious.
I don’t care either way. I just grabbed some popcorn and settling in for an entertaining thread. Flaming and name calling in 3...2...1..
A more important theological discussion would be how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
The Christian should know that we do not know the day of Christ’s return, but that we should be ready. Arguing whether or not we will suffer in the interim is a waste of time. Whether by the “Tribulation” or by life’s tribulations, we’ve already been told that we should not be surprised by our suffering.
Bkmrk.
Well #6
I am thinking he belongs to the cult of foolishness.
I don’t believe in the Rapture, pre-trib or otherwise, but I hardly see disagreements in end times prophecy as the “biggest threat to Christians”.
Same here. Or to put it another way, I'm a Pan-Tribber, i.e. when it comes to Christ's return, things will pan out in the end.
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