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1 posted on 10/13/2019 10:16:07 PM PDT by Salvation
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Absolute biased fantasy history to hide reality, it is in conflict with their own written journals. Fortunately the Spanish were VERY good at keeping very detailed written records about their own “moral” methods of conquest and conversion to Christianity. There was a constant battle between the Conquistadors and the Church about their own methods of making the indigenous submit to absolute control and slavery. They did not ask nicely and say please...


32 posted on 10/14/2019 5:22:04 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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Thanks for this post.

Heading out to the parade shortly.


36 posted on 10/14/2019 5:44:16 AM PDT by firebrand
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It was also alleged that he thought he was in India hence his calling the natives he met Indians; in his time India was called Hindustan.


37 posted on 10/14/2019 5:47:39 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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The author hits the nail in the head when he points out that Columbus hatred is founded on hatred of Christians and Christianity.

Great rebuttal to fake-news anti-Christians !

38 posted on 10/14/2019 5:58:00 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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The Columbus genocide garbage was created by Howard Zinn, creator of the fictional Peoples History of the United States.
39 posted on 10/14/2019 5:58:47 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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The Columbus genocide garbage was created by Howard Zinn, creator of the fictional Peoples History of the United States.
40 posted on 10/14/2019 5:58:57 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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Thank you, great article done by someone who cared to do the research. It’s funny how the lies are so easily available and still taught in schools.
The people Columbus argued with about the size of the earth were all clergy. At the time, the most educated people were routinely priests.

Also, there was a claim that the Tainos (who inhabited the Caribbean) were extinct but genetic studies showed that wasn’t true. The Spanish made people “extinct” by calling them Spanish (the same thing happened in Mexico).

And, the disease that caused the huge die off shortly after contact was a native hemorrhagic fever that had caused earlier die offs. I would guess Chicken Pox and measles did cause many deaths.


41 posted on 10/14/2019 6:04:28 AM PDT by Varda
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Happy Columbus Day!


42 posted on 10/14/2019 6:08:06 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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This is a keeper... Thanks


44 posted on 10/14/2019 7:06:48 AM PDT by overkill_007_2000 (If i'm staring at the ceiling I must be laying on the floor)
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Thanks for posting this excellent article.

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54 posted on 10/14/2019 9:25:32 AM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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"Myth #7: …
Yes, the Vikings and others before him came and visited these lands. However, to discover means to uncover, or make known. The illiterate Vikings never wrote about or told others of their travels.
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What an ignorant thing for the author to say.

To say the general population of the "Vikings" population where illiterate in their own language(s) to any greater degree than the rest of general population of Europe was illiterate in their own languages, is absurd. [1]

Were the people of Greenland or Iceland illiterate in English or French or Latin? The vast majority, no doubt. Were the Italians, Spaniards, or English illiterate in Norwegian, Swedish or Dutch? The vast majority, no doubt.

If one is to suggest that the "Vikings" where illiterate, one must also suggest that the rest of Europe was illiterate as well. Which means there is no purpose to state the Vikings were illiterate other than in an attempt to subvert history.

Furthermore, to state that the "Vikings" "never wrote about or told others of their travels." is yet another absurdity.

Did they have scripts widely published in Rome about their travels around the 1000's? No, of course not. But Rome, or Paris, or Madrid, or London were not the entirety of the world.

But they never told others? Of course they told others, because others made their own voyages to North America over the ensuing decades. Bjarni Herjólfsson (voyaged from Norway)(is said to not have made landfall) in 986 AD -> Leif Eriksson (from Greenland) in 1000 was the first to make landfall and set up a settlement -> followed by Thorvald Eiriksson (from Greenland) in 1004 and then Thorfinn Karlsefni (from Greenland) in 1009 [2][3][4].

Beginning with Herjólfsson in 986...each group of explorers TOLD their stories to others...who subsequently revisited North America.

As far as relatively recent Europeans go, Leaf Erickson "discovered" North America, Christopher Columbus popularized it.

And for the record...no, I don't think Christopher Columbus Day should be renamed indigenous people's day (see below).
I do, however, think our nation should also celebrate Leif Erickson Day. [5]
Presidential Proclamation on Leif Erikson Day, 2019

 

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Now, if we want our history to be even more complete, we must look further back...much further to the people from the area of what is today France and Spain.

It's a growing theory (though one clearly going against the PC winds), that "Europeans" migrated to the America's thousands of years before the "East Asians" did...and were either killed off by the larger migrating groups from east asia, or were "integrated" into their groups from east asia, occurring either in the America's and/or in far eastern Siberia.

 

European style stone tools suggest Stone Age people actually discovered America
By Bob Yirka | February 29, 2012

"...Stone tools found recently in Delaware, Maryland and Virginia in the eastern United States, all appear to bear a striking resemblance to tools used by Stone Age peoples in early Europe, and have been dated to a time between 19,000 and 26,000 years ago, a period during which Stone Age people were making such tools, and long before the early Asians arrived.

...The evidence is further bolstered by the recent discovery that an ancient knife found in Virginia in 1971 was made of flint that originated from France.

...Stanford and Bradley also point out the lack of evidence of any human activity in the north-east part of Siberia or in Alaska any earlier than 15,500 years ago. And the reason early Asians won out, evolving into the people now called Native Americans, was because their window of opportunity was much wider, 15,000 years versus just 4500 for the early Europeans. Thus the original Native Americans were either assimilated or killed by the large numbers of migrating Asians. Evidence that it was likely the former has been found in the DNA of skeletons of North American Native American people. Also, the language of several Native American tribes doesn’t seem to have originated from Asia."
https://phys.org/news/2012-02-european-style-stone-tools-age.html

Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America'
By Matthew Day | 4:12PM GMT 28 Feb 2012
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

Scientists have unearthed ancient artifacts that are upending the history of mankind
By Dan Conover | June 13, 2012
https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/scientists-have-unearthed-ancient-artifacts-that-are-upending-the-history-of-mankind/Content?oid=4092912

Out of Europe
By Dan McLerran | Jun 1, 2013

"...New excavations in the southeastern U.S. and the mid-Atlantic were yielding artifacts dated to pre-Clovis times. Sites like Meadowcroft Rock Shelter in Pennsylvania, Cactus Hill in Virginia, Miles Point and Oyster Cove on the Chesapeake Bay, as well as the offshore Cinmar site, to name but a few, all revealed lithic artifacts arguably dated thousands of years before the oldest Clovis points found across North America. And like the Cinmar point and other points uncovered throughout the eastern U.S. and at underwater locations off the eastern seaboard, the Solutrean assemblages found in Europe, and more specifically southwestern France and northeastern Spain, shared remarkably similar characteristics.

“The majority of the oldest dated sites in the Americas with undisputed artifacts are in the Chesapeake Bay region,” maintains Stanford. “The artifacts from these LGM (the Last Glacial Maximum, between 26,000 and 20,000 years ago) sites are technological and functional equivalents of artifacts from the same period found in southwestern Europe and are not technologically or morphologically related to any east Asian technology."


"Projectile points and their corresponding ages, found at sites in eastern North America. The first artifact on the far left represents a typical point of the Solutrean type, found in Europe. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"


"The LGM ice cover in the North Atlantic at the time when Solutrean peoples are hypothesized to have crossed over from Europe to the Americas. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"


"Map showing the exposed continental shelf along southwestern France and northwestern Spain, with known Solutrean sites. Also shown are concave based points from Spain, representing the types of artifacts of the period that show similarities to the Clovis and pre-Clovis artifacts found in eastern North America. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"


"Distribution of known Solutrean-style laurel leaf biface artifacts in the mid atlantic coastal and continental shelf areas, showing extent of dry land during the LGM. Courtesy Dennis Stanford"
https://popular-archaeology.com/article/out-of-europe/

 

Ancient DNA Links Native Americans With Europe
Michael Balter | 25 Oct 2013
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/409

55 posted on 10/14/2019 9:28:47 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Pretty good list. Thanks, Salavation!


57 posted on 10/14/2019 10:30:53 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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"Everyone in Columbus’s time knew the earth was a sphere. This fact was known since antiquity. Scholars disagreed about its size. Based on the known world, Columbus underestimated it by one fourth."

Incorrect. Columbus DID NOT believe the earth was spherical.

He believed it was pear-shaped. Not slightly pear-shaped (in the Neil DeGrasse Tyson fashion) but prominently pear shaped. Like a Bartlett.

Entry from Columbus' log of his third journey to the New World in 1498:

I found it (the world) was not round . . . but pear shaped, round where it has a nipple, for there it is taller, or as if one had a round ball and, on one side, it should be like a woman’s breast, and this nipple part is the highest and closest to Heaven.
Columbus greatest error (in terms of sailing miles required) was not in underestimating the size of the earth but in trusting in the accounts of Marco Polo. Polo exaggerated the breadth of Asia by about 5000 miles to make the scale of his journeys seem all the more daunting and heroic. Had indeed Asia extended 5000 miles further to the east, it would indeed have been within the sailing range of a late 15th Century Spanish caravel.
58 posted on 10/14/2019 10:33:34 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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Columbus’ real and true secret purpose was to draw attention and focus it away from Oak Island while events were transpiring there.

You read it on the internet so it must be true.

Neener neener.

Happy Columbus Day!


63 posted on 10/14/2019 11:20:34 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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Happy Columbus Day? Not in Fairfax, Virginia, where today’s national holiday is masked as “professional development.”

So, I guess it’s “Happy Professional Development Day, Assholes”


72 posted on 10/14/2019 2:00:28 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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Great article, now my children will be in a better position to defend our Italian heritage. Though I still prefer the Sopranos approach.


73 posted on 10/14/2019 2:31:26 PM PDT by KingofZion
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Report from the parade:

Fewer watchers and fewer floats than in previous years, as could have been predicted. The floats from Italy were mostly gone. Filled in by Italian-American organizations.

Three people studying their phones while marching. I’m sure there must have been others that I didn’t see.

Looked like Joe Borelli leading the parade with the cops. Our next mayor I deeply hope.

De Blasio much farther back leading the Sanitation Department. Some guy across the street from me yelling his head off at the mayor. Wish I could have understood what he was saying.

Very low attendance in the City Council contingent of marchers. Predictably. After all, Columbus was a slaveowner and a cannibal. Oh wait. Those were the people he came to save.

Terror cops showed up for Cuomo’s appearance. Not a lot of fanfare for him. But lots of loyal supporters carrying signs that said SIAMO CON CUOMO.

Great high school and police, fire etc. bands. Last one, Falun Dafa was also excellent.

Lots of hateful looks at me as I made my way home with my Italian flag.

The monument at Columbus Circle sealed off with gates and guarded by the cops.

And American continues to devolve.


75 posted on 10/14/2019 4:02:31 PM PDT by firebrand
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Thank-you and God Bless.


76 posted on 10/14/2019 4:54:36 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Thank-you and God Bless.


77 posted on 10/14/2019 4:57:32 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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80 posted on 10/14/2019 5:43:46 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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