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How to Give God Perfect Thanks – A Homily for the 28th Sunday of the Year
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-12-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/13/2019 8:52:49 AM PDT by Salvation

Posted on October 12, 2019October 11, 2019 by Msgr. Charles Pope

How to Give God Perfect Thanks – A Homily for the 28th Sunday of the Year

One of the great human inadequacies is our inability to give proper and adequate thanks to God. Perhaps the biggest problem is that we don’t even realize the vast majority of what He does for us; it is hidden from our eyes.

A further problem is that in our fallen condition we seem to be wired to magnify our problems and minimize or discount the enormous blessings of each moment. God sustains every fiber of our being and every atom of creation. God’s blessings are countless and yet we get angry if our iPhone malfunctions or if a few of His myriad blessings are withdrawn.

An old gospel song says it well:

I’ve got so much to thank God for; So many wonderful blessings and so many open doors. A brand new mercy along with each new day. That’s why I praise You and for this I give You praise. For waking me up this morning, For starting me on my way, For letting me see the sunshine, of a brand new day. That’s why I praise You and for this I give You praise. So many times You´ve met my needs, So many times You rescued me. That’s why I praise You.

For every mountain You brought me over, For every trial you’ve seen me through, For every blessing, For this I give You praise.

Fundamental Question – The question at the heart of this Sunday’s Gospel is best expressed in the Book of Psalms: What return shall I make to the Lord for all the good he has done for me? The same psalm goes on to answer the question in this way: The cup of salvation I will take up and call on the name of the Lord (Psalm 116:12).

The Mass is signified – Indeed, how can I possibly thank the Lord for all the good He has done for me? Notice that the psalm points to the Eucharist in saying, The cup of salvation I will take up …. As you know, the word Eucharist is a Greek word meaning “thanksgiving.” We cannot thank God our Father adequately, but Jesus can. In every Mass, we join our meager thanksgiving to His perfect one. At every Mass, Jesus takes up the cup of salvation through the priest and shows it to us. This is the perfect and superabundant thanks to the Father that only Jesus can offer. In every Mass, Jesus joins us to His perfect sacrifice of thanks. That is how we give thanks in a way commensurate with the manifold blessings we have received.

Hidden Mass – The Gospel for this day makes the point that the Mass is the perfect offering of thanks to the Father in a remarkable and almost hidden way. But for Catholics, it is right there for us to see if we have eyes to see it. The Gospel contains all the essential elements of Holy Mass. It is about giving thanks and reminds us once again that it is the Mass that is the perfect thanksgiving, the perfect “Eucharist.”

Let’s look and see how it is a Mass:

1. Gathering – Ten lepers (symbolizing us) have gathered and Jesus comes near as He passes on His way. We do this in every Mass: we gather and the Lord draws near. In the person of the priest, who is the sacrament, the sign of His presence, Jesus walks the aisle of our church just as He walked those ancient roads.

2. Kyrie – The lepers cry out for mercy, just as we do at every Mass. Lord, have mercy! Jesus, Master, have pity on us!

3. Liturgy of the Word – Jesus quotes Scripture and then applies it to their lives, just as He does for us at every Mass. (In saying, “Go show yourselves to the priests,” Jesus is referencing Leviticus 13, which gives detailed instructions on how the priests of old were to diagnose leprosy or its having been cured.) Yes, this is what we do at every Mass: we listen to the Lord Jesus, through the priest or deacon, proclaiming God’s Word and then applying it to our lives.

4. Liturgy of the Eucharist – The Gospel relates that one of them fell at the feet of Jesus and thanked him. This is what we do during the Eucharistic prayer: we kneel and thank Jesus, and along with Him, give thanks to the Father. As we have noted, the word “Eucharist” comes from the Greek and means “thanksgiving.” Here is the perfect thanks rendered to the Father. Those who claim that they can stay home and give adequate thanks to God should be rebuked for being prideful. Only Jesus can give perfect thanks to the Father, and we can only give adequate thanks by following Jesus’ command to “Do this in memory of me.” We have to be at Mass.

5. Ite, missa est – Finally, Jesus sends the thankful leper on his way, saying, Stand up and go; your faith has saved you. We, too, are sent forth by Jesus at the end of every Mass, when He speaks through the priest or deacon: “The Mass is ended, go in peace.”

So, there it is. Within this Gospel, which very clearly instructs us to give thanks to God, is the very structure of the Mass. If you want to give proper thanks to God, the right place to do it is at Mass. Only at Mass is perfect and proper thanks given to God.

It was all prefigured in the psalm long ago: What return shall I make to the Lord for all the good he has done for me? The cup of salvation I will take up and call on the name of the Lord (Psalm 116:12). Yes, it is the very cup of salvation, the chalice containing Christ’s blood, that is held up at every Mass. It is the perfect sacrifice of thanks. It is the prescribed sacrifice of praise. It is the proper sacrifice of praise.


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To: cloudmountain

Where did you get THAT from?

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Why, their direct quotes of course!

1. Clement of Rome (30-100): “And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.” Source: Clement, First Epistle to the Corinthians, 32.4.

2. Epistle to Diognetus (second century): “He gave His own Son as a ransom for us, the holy One for transgressors, the blameless One for the wicked, the righteous One for the unrighteous, the incorruptible One for the corruptible, the immortal One for them that are mortal. For what other thing was capable of covering our sins than His righteousness? By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearchable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation! That the wickedness of many should be hid in a single righteous One, and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors!” Source: The Epistle to Diognetus, 9.2-5.

3. Justin Martyr (100-165) speaks of “those who repented, and who no longer were purified by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of an heifer, or by the offerings of fine flour, but by faith through the blood of Christ, and through His death.” Source: Justin, Dialogue with Trypho, 13.

4. Origen (185-254): “For God is just, and therefore he could not justify the unjust. Therefore he required the intervention of a propitiator, so that by having faith in Him those who could not be justified by their own works might be justified.” Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.112.

5. Origen (again): “A man is justified by faith. The works of the law can make no contribution to this. Where there is no faith which might justify the believer, even if there are works of the law these are not based on the foundation of faith. Even if they are good in themselves they cannot justify the one who does them, because faith is lacking, and faith is the mark of those who are justified by God.” Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.136.

6. Hilary of Poitiers (300-368): “Wages cannot be considered as a gift, because they are due to work, but God has given free grace to all men by the justification of faith.” Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 20:7)

7. Hilary of Poitiers (again): “It disturbed the scribes that sin was forgiven by a man (for they considered that Jesus Christ was only a man) and that sin was forgiven by Him whereas the Law was not able to absolve it, since faith alone justifies.” Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 9:3)

8. Didymus the Blind (c. 313-398) “A person is saved by grace, not by works but by faith. There should be no doubt but that faith saves and then lives by doing its own works, so that the works which are added to salvation by faith are not those of the law but a different kind of thing altogether.”[31] Source: Didymus the Blind. Commentary on James, 2:26b.

9. Basil of Caesarea (329-379): “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, that Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, redemption. This is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and is justified solely by faith in Christ.” Source: Basil, Homily on Humility, 20.3.

10. Jerome (347–420): “We are saved by grace rather than works, for we can give God nothing in return for what he has bestowed on us.” Source: Jerome, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.1.

11. John Chrysostom (349-407): “For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faith’s workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Ephesians, 4.2.9.

12. John Chrysostom (again): “But what is the ‘law of faith?’ It is, being saved by grace. Here he shows God’s power, in that He has not only saved, but has even justified, and led them to boasting, and this too without needing works, but looking for faith only.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 7.27.

13. John Chrysostom (again): “God allowed his Son to suffer as if a condemned sinner, so that we might be delivered from the penalty of our sins. This is God’s righteousness, that we are not justified by works (for then they would have to be perfect, which is impossible), but by grace, in which case all our sin is removed.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians, 11.5.

14. John Chrysostom (again): “Everywhere he puts the Gentiles upon a thorough equality. ‘And put no difference between us and them, having purified their hearts by faith.’ (v. 9.) From faith alone, he says, they obtained the same gifts. This is also meant as a lesson to those (objectors); this is able to teach even them that faith only is needed, not works nor circumcision.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Acts, 32 (regarding Acts 15:1)

15. John Chrysostom (again): “What then was it that was thought incredible? That those who were enemies, and sinners, neither justified by the law, nor by works, should immediately through faith alone be advanced to the highest favor. Upon this head accordingly Paul has discoursed at length in his Epistle to the Romans, and here again at length. “This is a faithful saying,” he says, “and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on 1 Timothy, 4.1.

16. John Chrysostom (again): “”For it is most of all apparent among the Gentiles, as he also says elsewhere, ‘And that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy.’ (Romans 15:9.) For the great glory of this mystery is apparent among others also, but much more among these. For, on a sudden, to have brought men more senseless than stones to the dignity of Angels, simply through bare words, and faith alone, without any laboriousness, is indeed glory and riches of mystery: just as if one were to take a dog, quite consumed with hunger and the mange, foul, and loathsome to see, and not so much as able to move, but lying cast out, and make him all at once into a man, and to display him upon the royal throne.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Colossians, 5.2.

17. John Chrysostom (again): “Now since the Jews kept turning over and over the fact, that the Patriarch, and friend of God, was the first to receive circumcision, he wishes to show, that it was by faith that he too was justified. And this was quite a vantage ground to insist upon. For a person who had no works, to be justified by faith, was nothing unlikely. But for a person richly adorned with good deeds, not to be made just from hence, but from faith, this is the thing to cause wonder, and to set the power of faith in a strong light.” Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 8.1.

18. Augustine (354-430): “If Abraham was not justified by works, how was he justified? The apostle goes on to tell us how: What does scripture say? (that is, about how Abraham was justified). Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness (Rom. 4:3; Gen. 15:6). Abraham, then, was justified by faith. Paul and James do not contradict each other: good works follow justification.” Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 2-4.

19. Augustine (again): “When someone believes in him who justifies the impious, that faith is reckoned as justice to the believer, as David too declares that person blessed whom God has accepted and endowed with righteousness, independently of any righteous actions (Rom 4:5-6). What righteousness is this? The righteousness of faith, preceded by no good works, but with good works as its consequence.” Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 6-7.

20. Ambrosiaster (fourth century): “God has decreed that a person who believes in Christ can be saved without works. By faith alone he receives the forgiveness of sins.” Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 1:4.

21. Ambrosiaster (again): “They are justified freely because they have not done anything nor given anything in return, but by faith alone they have been made holy by the gift of God.” Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:24.

22. Ambrosiaster (again): “Paul tells those who live under the law that they have no reason to boast basing themselves on the law and claiming to be of the race of Abraham, seeing that no one is justified before God except by faith.” Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:27.

23. Ambrosiaster (again): “God gave what he promised in order to be revealed as righteous. For he had promised that he would justify those who believe in Christ, as he says in Habakkuk: ‘The righteous will live by faith in me’ (Hab. 2:4). Whoever has faith in God and Christ is righteous.” Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Paul’s Epistles; CSEL 81 ad loc.

24. Marius Victorinus (fourth century): “The fact that you Ephesians are saved is not something that comes from yourselves. It is the gift of God. It is not from your works, but it is God’s grace and God’s gift, not from anything you have deserved. … We did not receive things by our own merit but by the grace and goodness of God.” Source: Marius Victorinus, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.9.

25. Prosper of Aquitaine (390–455): “And just as there are no crimes so detestable that they can prevent the gift of grace, so too there can be no works so eminent that they are owed in condign [deserved] judgment that which is given freely. Would it not be a debasement of redemption in Christ’s blood, and would not God’s mercy be made secondary to human works, if justification, which is through grace, were owed in view of preceding merits, so that it were not the gift of a Donor, but the wages of a laborer?” Source: Prosper of Acquitaine, Call of All Nations, 1.17

26. Theodoret of Cyrus (393–457): “The Lord Christ is both God and the mercy seat, both the priest and the lamb, and he performed the work of our salvation by his blood, demanding only faith from us.” Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Letter to the Romans; PG 82 ad loc.

27. Theodoret of Cyrus (again): “All we bring to grace is our faith. But even in this faith, divine grace itself has become our enabler. For [Paul] adds, ‘And this is not of yourselves but it is a gift of God; not of works, lest anyone should boast’ (Eph. 2:8–9). It is not of our own accord that we have believed, but we have come to belief after having been called; and even when we had come to believe, He did not require of us purity of life, but approving mere faith, God bestowed on us forgiveness of sins” Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Fourteen Epistles of Paul; FEF 3:248–49, sec. 2163.

28. Cyril of Alexandria (412-444): “For we are justified by faith, not by works of the law, as Scripture says. By faith in whom, then, are we justified? Is it not in Him who suffered death according to the flesh for our sake? Is it not in one Lord Jesus Christ?” Source: Cyril of Alexandria, Against Nestorius, 3.62

29. Fulgentius (462–533): “The blessed Paul argues that we are saved by faith, which he declares to be not from us but a gift from God. Thus there cannot possibly be true salvation where there is no true faith, and, since this faith is divinely enabled, it is without doubt bestowed by his free generosity. Where there is true belief through true faith, true salvation certainly accompanies it. Anyone who departs from true faith will not possess the grace of true salvation.” Source: Fulgentius, On the Incarnation, 1; CCL 91:313.

30. Bede (673-735): “Although the apostle Paul preached that we are justified by faith without works, those who understand by this that it does not matter whether they live evil lives or do wicked and terrible things, as long as they believe in Christ, because salvation is through faith, have made a great mistake. James here expounds how Paul’s words ought to be understood. This is why he uses the example of Abraham, whom Paul also used as an example of faith, to show that the patriarch also performed good works in the light of his faith. It is therefore wrong to interpret Paul in such a way as to suggest that it did not matter whether Abraham put his faith into practice or not. What Paul meant was that no one obtains the gift of justification on the basis of merits derived from works performed beforehand, because the gift of justification comes only from faith.”

Source: Cited from the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (ed. Gerald Bray), NT, vol. 11, p. 31.


21 posted on 10/14/2019 8:38:35 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: cloudmountain; Luircin
Also Catholics don't believe that the Bible is the only source of our faith. There's no where in the Bible that says it's the only source of our faith. The other source of our faith is Apostolic Tradition.

So called "Apostolic Tradition" is from Scripture. The ECFs are pretty consistent on that issue. e

At Trent, when Rome dogmatically declared its canon, it did not include any of the writings from any of the ECFs they hold so dear.

That is telling.

22 posted on 10/15/2019 5:33:19 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
So called "Apostolic Tradition" is from Scripture. The ECFs are pretty consistent on that issue. e
Part of "Apostolic Tradition" is the Papacy. The emergence of bishops and cardinals is Apostolic Tradition and that is not in Scripture.
https://www.scripturecatholic.com/oral-apostolic-tradition/
ORAL = not written in Scripture. Even Jesus relied on it. The reference above gives several examples of Jesus using non-Old Testament preaching.

At Trent, when Rome dogmatically declared its canon, it did not include any of the writings from any of the ECFs they hold so dear.
That is telling.

Why is that telling?
The FOUR WITNESSES were JUST at the very beginning of the Christianity. THEIR treatises were instruction and history FAR closer to Jesus.
*Clement of Rome: 35 AD
**Ignatius of Antioch: 108 AD
***Justin Martyr: 100 AD
****Irenaeus of Lyons: 130 A.D.

The Council of Trent was held to combat the heresy of the Reformation...and thus called the COUNTER REFORMATION. And that was in 1545-63. Why would they have to cover the SAME ground when they felt compelled to combat the newer heresy of the Reformation?
If they HAD covered the same ground it would've been redundant.

Two completely different events for two completely different times in history with 1,400+ years in between.

.

Maybe we are talking at cross purposes.

23 posted on 10/15/2019 2:19:06 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Counter-Reformation was formed to defend the heresy that the Reformation was trying to combat.

As you can see from the early church fathers, sola fide was believed by Christians until Roman Catholicism abandoned Christ.

Don’t blame the Reformers for believing what the Apostles actually taught and not Rome’s distortions of the faith.


24 posted on 10/15/2019 2:24:39 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Counter-Reformation was formed to defend the heresy that the Reformation was trying to combat. As you can see from the early church fathers, sola fide was believed by Christians until Roman Catholicism abandoned Christ. Don’t blame the Reformers for believing what the Apostles actually taught and not Rome’s distortions of the faith.

Hahaha.
THANK you for the laugh.

25 posted on 10/15/2019 2:32:49 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Hey, I proved to you that the early church fathers believed in sola fide.

I gave you 30 quotes directly from them. (Which you ignored.)

I mean, if you want to ignore the truth, that’s your prerogative, but truth doesn’t change just because you’re putting your hands over your ears and screaming.


26 posted on 10/15/2019 2:34:50 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
I mean, if you want to ignore the truth, that’s your prerogative, but truth doesn’t change just because you’re putting your hands over your ears and screaming.
You seem to have oodles of practice at it.

Catholics in the world = 1.2 billion
The Protestant sources say that there are 2.4 billion Catholics in the world. See below.

Protestants = There are between 800 million and 1 billion Protestants worldwide, among approximately 2.4 billion Christians.

One Catholic church and 33,000 different Protestant denominations. Now you tell me which is more reliable: the one started by Jesus, who said that HE said that He would never abandon His Church and He never has. Or don't you believe what Jesus said?

or

The 33,000 DIFFERENT Protestant denominations that excommunicated Father Martin Luther started? He changed the BIBLE. Who gave him THAT authority?

The Protestant faith has national, state, local ministers. There is no one source to teach ONE Bible. The result is the huge number of variations in interpreting the Bible. Is that what you think Jesus wanted?

Unfortunately Jesus had to rely on us mere mortals. But to TOSS the ENTIRE 1500 years of tradition because of ONE excommunicated priest's grudge match with his Church?

I truly believe that Father Martin Luther was a good and holy man and priest and would be appalled at what his dissent started: 33,000 DIFFERENT Protestant denominations. There are so many, it seems, because Protestants can interpret the Bible as they like.

Pax tibi.

27 posted on 10/15/2019 3:01:16 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Matthew 7:14 “For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”

Oh dear; look at who’s desperately trying to change the subject because he just got blown right out of the water. And then attempted to use the numbers argument when no less a source than Jesus himself debunked it.

AND repeated that outright lie about 33,000 denominations too.

LOL.

Church fathers taught sola fide. Several even used the words ‘faith alone.’

If Catholicism lied to you about that, what else did they lie to you about?


28 posted on 10/15/2019 3:22:03 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Salvation
If you want to give proper thanks to God, the right place to do it is at Mass. Only at Mass is perfect and proper thanks given to God.

Amen.

29 posted on 10/15/2019 3:26:51 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: cloudmountain

Or to put it in a less confrontational way, my eternity and your eternity are at stake.

I’m going to believe what Jesus and the Apostles actually said, in the plainest meanings of the words.

And if Paul says not by works, then I’m going to believe it. If Jesus says those who believe are saved, then I trust that.

Catholics keep pointing to a single verse in James as justification to contradict entire books of Scripture. I’m going to believe what was stated many times and interpret the one-time verse in light of that.

Just like the church fathers did.


30 posted on 10/15/2019 3:37:34 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
What you wrote is simply made up and not true.

And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

31 posted on 10/15/2019 8:27:39 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam

Rememberance != Renewal

Now, if you’d said that the Lord’s Supper is a participation in the one-time sacrifice of Christ, and that we should partake as often as possible, you would have a good argument. But any language that suggests that Jesus is re-sacrificed is anti-Scriptural, and needs to be cautioned against.


32 posted on 10/15/2019 9:33:13 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Oratam

This is not a “renewal” of Christ’s sacrifice.

Nor is it a new sacrifice.

As Christ said, this is a “remembrance.”


33 posted on 10/15/2019 9:37:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Luircin
Hey, I proved to you that the early church fathers believed in sola fide.

Did you even read the quotes you listed? Why is #2 even in your list? Why list quotes that contrast “works of the law,” which has a very specific meaning, other than to conflate the two issues? Your quotes no more teach sola fide, in modern Protestant understanding, than they teach sola scriptura.

Why don’t you pick one to discuss in-depth instead of attempting a “blitzkrieg?”

34 posted on 10/15/2019 10:42:59 PM PDT by papertyger (To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant)
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To: Oratam
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and broke it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Why is Protestant pontification on what scripture means any better than Catholic?

35 posted on 10/15/2019 10:46:30 PM PDT by papertyger (To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant)
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To: papertyger

“Works of the law” being different from “works” is a Catholic lie used to justify their heresy. And Paul says ‘not by works’ without ‘of the law’ in Ephesians 2 and other places as well.

Proof: Paul defines works of the law as obedience to the Ten Commandments.

So does your favorite book James, actually. Which you’d know if you actually read it instead of just one verse.


36 posted on 10/15/2019 11:33:35 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Proof: Paul defines works of the law as obedience to the Ten Commandments

Your kidding, right? Where, pray tell, does Paul say that in Scripture?

37 posted on 10/16/2019 2:32:01 AM PDT by papertyger (To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant)
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To: papertyger

“ Why is Protestant pontification on what scripture means any better than Catholic? ”

Christians read the words Christ spoke and don’t add to them...


38 posted on 10/16/2019 4:17:50 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Luircin
So does your favorite book James, actually. Which you’d know if you actually read it instead of just one verse.

Gee, I see what you mean! Read a few more verses and it TOTALLY changes things!

[Jas 2:20-26 KJV] 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Where on earth did we get the crazy notion that the Biblical writers never defined "faith" the way modern Protestants do?

Oh yeah...Sacred Tradition passed down by the Apostles: that's how. And surprise, surprise! All those Fathers you quoted learned what Christian "faith" is the same way.

How myopic does one have to be to squawk "call no man father"like an obnoxious parrot, then ignore "by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" and advocate for sola fide?

39 posted on 10/16/2019 4:32:19 AM PDT by papertyger (To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Christians read the words Christ spoke and don’t add to them...

Nonsense, when challenged on interpretation, Protestants do nothing BUT add to God's Word by interpreting the Scriptures by their doctrine to justify their doctrine.

At least Catholics have the intellectual honesty to live by EVERY Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, and not pretend our eisegesis was God's idea.

40 posted on 10/16/2019 4:42:09 AM PDT by papertyger (To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant)
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