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Catholicism made me Protestant
First Things ^ | 9/11/2019 | Onsi A. Kamel

Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock

Like all accounts of God’s faithfulness, mine begins with a genealogy. In the late seventeenth century, my mother’s Congregationalist ancestors journeyed to the New World to escape what they saw as England’s deadly compromise with Romanism. Centuries later, ­American Presbyterians converted my father’s great-­grandmother from Coptic ­Orthodoxy to ­Protestantism. Her son became a Presbyterian minister in the Evangelical Coptic Church. By the time my parents were ­living in ­twenty-first-century Illinois, their families’ historic Reformed commitments had been replaced by non-denominational, ­Baptistic ­evangelicalism.

This form of Christianity dominated my Midwestern hometown. My parents taught me to love God, revere the Scriptures, and seek truth through reason. In middle school, my father introduced me to theology, and as a present for my sixteenth birthday he arranged a meeting between me and a Catholic philosopher, Dr. B—. From high school into college, Dr. B— introduced me to Catholic thought and graciously helped me work through my doubts about Christianity. How could a just and loving God not reveal himself equally to everyone? What are we to make of the Bible’s creation stories and flood narrative? Did Calvinism make God the author of evil? My acquaintance with Dr. B— set my intellectual trajectory for several years.

The causes of any conversion (or near conversion) are many and confused. Should I foreground psychological and social factors or my theological reasoning? Certain elements of my attraction to Catholicism were adolescent, like a sixties radical’s attraction to Marx or a contemporary activist’s to intersectionality: I aimed to preserve the core beliefs of my upbringing while fleeing their bourgeois expressions. When I arrived at the University of Chicago, I knew just enough about Calvinism to hold it in ­contempt—which is to say, I knew very little. Reacting against the middle-aged leaders of the inaptly named “Young, Restless, and Reformed Movement,” I sought refuge in that other great ­Western ­theological tradition: ­Roman ­Catholicism.

During my first year of college, I became involved in campus Catholic life. Through the influence of the Catholic student group and the Lumen Christi Institute, which hosts lectures by Catholic intellectuals, my theologically inclined college friends began converting to Catholicism, one after another. These friends were devout, intelligent, and schooled in Christian history. I met faithful and holy Catholic priests—one of whom has valiantly defended the faith for years, drawing punitive opposition from his own religious superiors, as well as the ire of Chicago’s archbishop. This priest was and is to me the very model of a holy, righteous, and courageous man.

I loved Catholicism because Catholics taught me to love the Church. At Lumen Christi events, I heard about saints and mystics, stylites and monastics, desert fathers and late-antique theologians. I was captivated by the holy martyrs, relics, Mary, and the Mass. I found in the Church a spiritual mother and the mother of all the faithful. Through Catholicism, I came into an inheritance: a past of saints and redeemed sinners from all corners of the earth, theologians who illuminated the deep things of God, music and art that summon men to worship God “in the beauty of holiness,” and a tradition to ground me in a world of flux.

Catholicism, which I took to be the Christianity of history, was a world waiting to be discovered. I set about exploring, and I tried to bring others along. I debated tradition with my mother, sola Scriptura with my then fiancée (now wife), and the meaning of the Eucharist with my father. On one occasion, a Reformed professor dispensed with my arguments for transubstantiation in a matter of minutes.

Not long after this, I began to notice discrepancies between Catholic apologists’ map of the tradition and the terrain I encountered in the tradition itself. St. Ambrose’s doctrine of justification sounded a great deal more like Luther’s sola fide than like Trent. St. John Chrysostom’s teaching on repentance and absolution—“Mourn and you annul the sin”—would have been more at home in Geneva than Paris. St. Thomas’s doctrine of predestination, much to my horror, was nearly identical to the Synod of Dordt’s. The Anglican divine Richard Hooker quoted Irenaeus, ­Chrysostom, ­Augustine, and Pope Leo I as he rejected doctrines and practices because they were not grounded in Scripture. He cited Pope Gregory the Great on the “­ungodly” title of universal bishop. The Council of ­Nicaea assumed that Alexandria was on a par with Rome, and Chalcedon declared that the Roman patriarchate was privileged only “because [Rome] was the royal city.” In short, I began to wonder whether the Reformers had a legitimate claim to the Fathers. The Church of Rome could not be straightforwardly identified as catholic.

John Henry Newman became my crucial interlocutor: More than in Ratzinger, Wojtyła, or Congar, in Newman I found a kindred spirit. Here was a man obsessed with the same questions that ate at me, questions of tradition and authority. With Newman, I agonized over conversion. I devoured his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine and his Apologia pro Vita Sua. Two of his ideas were pivotal for me: his theory of doctrinal development and his articulation of the problem of private judgment. On these two ideas hung all the claims of Rome.

In retrospect, I see that Newman’s need to construct a theory of doctrinal development tells against Rome’s claims of continuity with the ancient Church. And at the time, though I wished to accept Newman’s proposal that “the early condition, and the evidence, of each doctrine . . . ought consistently to be interpreted by means of that development which was ultimately attained,” I could not. One could only justify such assumptions if one were already committed to Roman Catholic doctrine and Rome’s meaningful continuity with what came before. Without either of these commitments, I simply could not find a plausible reason to speak of “development” rather than “disjuncture,” especially because what came before so often contradicted what followed.

The issue of ecclesiastical authority was trickier for me. I recognized the absurdity of a twenty-year-old presuming to adjudicate claims about the Scriptures and two thousand years of history. Newman’s arguments against private judgment therefore had a prima facie plausibility for me. In his Apologia, Newman argues that man’s rebellion against God introduced an “anarchical condition of things,” leading human thought toward “suicidal excesses.” Hence, the fittingness of a divinely established living voice infallibly proclaiming supernatural truths. In his discourse on “Faith and Private Judgment,” Newman castigates Protestants for refusing to “surrender” reason in matters religious. The implication is that reason is unreliable in matters of revelation. Faith is assent to the incontestable, self-evident truth of God’s revelation, and reasoning becomes an excuse to refuse to bend the knee.

The more I internalized ­Newman’s claims about private judgment, however, the more I descended into skepticism. I could not reliably interpret the Scriptures, history, or God’s Word preached and given in the sacraments. But if I could not do these things, if my reason was unfit in matters religious, how was I to assess Newman’s arguments for Roman Catholicism? Newman himself had once recognized this dilemma, writing in a pre-conversion letter, “We have too great a horror of the principle of private judgment to trust it in so immense a matter as that of changing from one communion to another.” Did he expect me to forfeit the faculty by which I adjudicate truth claims, because that faculty is fallible? My ­conversion would have to be rooted in my private ­judgment—but, because of Rome’s claim of infallibility, conversion would forbid me from exercising that faculty ever again on doctrinal questions.

Finally, the infighting among traditionalist, conservative, and liberal Catholics made plain that Catholics did not gain by their magisterium a clear, living voice of divine authority. They received from the past a set of magisterial documents that had to be weighed and interpreted, often over against living prelates. The ­magisterium of prior ages only multiplied the texts one had to interpret for oneself, for living bishops, it turns out, are as bad at reading as the rest of us.

But I did not remain a Protestant merely because I could not become a Catholic. While I was discovering that Roman Catholicism could not be straightforwardly identified with the catholicism of the first six centuries (nor, in certain respects, with that of the seventh century through the twelfth), and as I was wrestling with Newman, I finally began reading the Reformers. What I found shocked me. Catholicism had, by this time, reoriented my theological concerns around the concerns of the Church catholic. My assumptions, and the issues that animated me, were those of the Church of history. My evangelical upbringing had led me to believe that Protestantism entailed the rejection of these concerns. But this notion exploded upon contact with the Protestantism of history.

Martin Luther, John Calvin, Richard Hooker, Herman Bavinck, Karl Barth—they wrestled with the concerns of the Church catholic and provided answers to the questions Catholicism had taught me to pose. Richard Hooker interpreted the Church’s traditions; Calvin followed Luther’s Augustinianism, proclaimed the visible Church the mother of the faithful, and claimed for the Reformation the Church’s exegetical tradition; Barth convinced me that God’s Word could speak, certainly and surely, from beyond all created realities, to me.

Catholicism had taught me to think like a Protestant, because, as it turned out, the Reformers had thought like catholics. Like their pope-aligned opponents, they had asked questions about justification, the authority of tradition, the mode of Christ’s self-gift in the Eucharist, the nature of apostolic succession, and the Church’s wielding of the keys. Like their opponents, Protestants had appealed to Scripture and tradition. In time, I came to find their answers not only plausible, but more faithful to Scripture than the Catholic answers, and at least as well-represented in the traditions of the Church.

The Protestants did more than out-catholic the Catholics. They also spoke to the deepest needs of sinful souls. I will never forget the moment when, like Luther five hundred years earlier, I discovered justification by faith alone through union with Christ. I was sitting in my dorm room by myself. I had been assigned Luther’s Explanations of the Ninety-Five ­Theses, and I expected to find it facile. A year or two prior, I had decided that Trent was right about justification: It was entirely a gift of grace consisting of the gradual perfecting of the soul by faith and works—God instigating and me cooperating. For years, I had attempted to live out this model of justification. I had gone to Mass regularly, prayed the rosary with friends, fasted frequently, read the Scriptures daily, prayed earnestly, and sought advice from spiritual directors. I had begun this arduous cooperation with God’s grace full of hope; by the time I sat in that dorm room alone, I was distraught and demoralized. I had learned just how wretched a sinner I was: No good work was unsullied by pride, no repentance unaccompanied by expectations of future sin, no love free from selfishness.

In this state, I picked up my copy of that arch-heretic Luther and read his explanation of Thesis 37: “Any true Christian, whether living or dead, participates in all the blessings of Christ and the church; and this is granted him by God, even without indulgence letters.” With these words, Luther transformed my understanding of justification: Every Christian possesses Christ, and to possess Christ is to possess all of Christ’s righteousness, life, and merits. Christ had joined me to himself.

I had “put on Christ” in baptism and, by faith through the work of the Spirit, all things were mine, and I was Christ’s, and Christ was God’s (Gal. 3:27; 1 Cor. 3:21–23). His was not an uncertain mercy; his was not a grace of parts, which one hoped would become a whole; his was not a salvation to be attained, as though it were not already also a present possession. At that moment, the joy of my salvation poured into my soul. I wept and showed forth God’s praise. I had finally discovered the true ground and power of Protestantism: “My beloved is mine, and I am his” (Song 2:16).

Rome had brought me to ­Reformation.


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To: metmom

By faith, simply believing, declared righteous BEFORE there were any works done.
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Of course you’re INTERPRETING, but by that as it may, WHAT is your point?


561 posted on 09/15/2019 7:21:59 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: Luircin

It’s called the Socratic method, genius.
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Before the took the hemlock he said that “to know is to know that you know nothing.” All Bible-only zealots who claim to know it all should therefore take heed!

So answer the question. What are YOU doing to earn eternal life?
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I follow St. Paul’s example and try to live a Christlike life to avoid being rejected (1Cor9). I do this by practicing the Beatitudes as taught in Matthew 5, and by following the myriad other examples throughout the Scriptures which teach us how to live as God wishes us to live. And of course I do so because James, in his INSPIRED Epistle (which clearly needs no “interpretation” by the Mad Monk or any of his deluded followers) taught all Christians that faith without works is DEAD!


562 posted on 09/15/2019 7:54:38 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Arrogant, haughty, self aggrandizing ... a typical Catholic Apologist post.


563 posted on 09/15/2019 8:03:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Apparently YOPIOS is all well and good

as long as it doesn’t remotely

resemble Cathothism.

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564 posted on 09/15/2019 8:10:46 AM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: MHGinTN

Arrogant, haughty, self aggrandizing ... a typical Catholic Apologist post.
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“Stick and stones . . . “ I’m firmly convinced that everyone who continues unto death to assume that they are “saved”, precisely because of their presumption, will immediately following their last breath begin the suffering of ETERNAL DAMNATION in Hell with all of their like-minded brethren.


565 posted on 09/15/2019 8:19:03 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: infool7

Apparently YOPIOS is all well and good

as long as it doesn’t remotely

resemble Cathothism.

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Can you clarify this for me? I can’t figure out what you’re saying.


566 posted on 09/15/2019 8:22:53 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

“Be ye perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect,” Jesus says.

So you’re telling me that you’re trying and failing to do the absolute minimum that God commands you to do, and you think that earns you salvation?


567 posted on 09/15/2019 8:25:06 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: MHGinTN

It’s rather fun to watch them puff themselves up and then suddenly pop under the weight of the Word of God.


568 posted on 09/15/2019 8:28:39 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; imardmd1; boatbums; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; Iscool; ealgeone; Salvation; ..
Try the following regarding James: IF one claims to be born again, claims to be faithing in Jesus BUT there are no changes in life behavior (the works part for arrogant Catholics striving to obtain eternal life), that one's pretend faith is dead. FAITH is an action of the will, directed by the spirit. If the spirit in you is dead, though you make great pretend at righteousness, the faith is dead. ONLY GOD can make the dead human spirit alive, with the seal of His Spirit upon the human spirit.

Why? How can this describe what James is trying to convey? ... well, it is GOD Who is in the faither, both to will and to do of HIS good pleasure; so, if there is no evidence of HIM workling to raise up the child of God in the way that they should go, then it is not GOD bringing forth the 'works of righteousness' thus it is the dust of a still dead spirit in evidence striving to produce faked righteousness. That kind of faithing sometimes spews froth as haughty arrogance..

When one is born from above, it is GOD, not your works or fealty to a sacramental trek, it is GOD WHO imputes the righteousness of Christ to the newborn member in the Body of Christ. Your paganized religion of Catholicism has the adherents believing the Catholic Church is infusing (like a slow drip of an IV) you with sufficient righteousness to deserve eternal life with God.

God created the human spirit as a thing with eternal existence. Alive or dead, your spirit is eternal, but HE honors your free will by applying The Righteousness of Christ to ONLY the souls who believe in and trust Christ alone for their deliverance from their dead spirit condition inherited from Adam.

569 posted on 09/15/2019 8:34:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

For many posters on this thread,

YOPIOS (Your Own Personal Interpretation of Scripture)

is fine as long as it doesn’t too closely resemble Catholicism.

I actually practice an obscure Irish rite: AlCatholicism that

was handed down through many generations of Irish Moonshiners.

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570 posted on 09/15/2019 8:39:49 AM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

So you refuse to presume upon the PROMISE OF GOD Who cannot lie? Explains a lot ...


571 posted on 09/15/2019 8:58:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Luircin

So you’re telling me that you’re trying and failing to do the absolute minimum that God commands you to do, and you think that earns you salvation?
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Followers of Luther have always been fond of parroting the notion of “earning salvation” to obfuscate St. Paul’s meaning about working out one’s salvation in fear and trembling (Phil 2:12). That of course is the sly way that the “already saved” attempt to deny the biblical truth that eternal punishment awaits ALL who FAIL to live righteous lives as commanded throughout the Holy Scriptures. As a consequence of this denial, the dens of inequity throughout the world are FILLED with the “already saved”!


572 posted on 09/15/2019 8:59:25 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

The Word of God tells you that Abraham believed GOD and it was counted for him righteousness. So, Catholic, Who is the source of the righteousness applied to Abraham for his believing the Promise of God?


573 posted on 09/15/2019 9:01:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Twisters will twist ... the ones to whom Paul wrote ‘work out your own salvation in fear and trembling’ finished the thought with ‘for it is God Who is in you, to will and to do of His good pleasure! But you haughty Catholics leave that portion out in order to make your father’s twist on the truth. You see, Catholic, because it is GOD Who is in the saved, they are saved THEN are being admonished to allow GOD to exhibit the works of the members of HIS Family through Christ Jesus.


574 posted on 09/15/2019 9:05:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: infool7

I actually practice an obscure Irish rite: AlCatholicism that

was handed down through many generations of Irish Moonshiners.
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My Irish ancestors now resting in the sod of Ennistymon, County Clare were great and well-known shiners. I occasionally hoist a pint or two in the local pub there to honor them all!


575 posted on 09/15/2019 9:07:00 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: MHGinTN

Catholicism has the adherents believing the Catholic Church is infusing (like a slow drip of an IV) you with sufficient righteousness to deserve eternal life with God.
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Except for this self-serving nonsense statement, I might concur with the other points you’ve alluded to. I say “might” because I would first have to go over those points carefully, and at the moment I’m just not inclined to do that. But don’t get any wrong ideas: I will do so in due time.


576 posted on 09/15/2019 9:19:17 AM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (Bad guys will enslave or exterminate good guys who acquiesce.)
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To: terycarl
It is, by far, the most thorough and accurate form of Christianity that ever existed.....and it is 1,600 years earlier than Protestantism....

Right !!! Peter didn't know he was a pope...If Peter was here right now, he'd sock you in the nose for calling him your first pope...Your first pope didn't show up for 600 years after Peter...

577 posted on 09/15/2019 9:28:39 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

And when that first pope came about he promptly invented the notion of Purgatory ... Gregory’s purgatory for all Catholics, except for those saved from purgatory by wearing an idol scapulae reinforced by the fabricated goddess power of the Catholic Mary, conveyed through the Carmelite s. And of course the whole mythos is supported by yet more made up foolishness such as the immaculate conception of the Mother of Jesus ... and that one is even more recent in fabrication!


578 posted on 09/15/2019 9:37:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat; metmom
By faith, simply believing, declared righteous BEFORE there were any works done.

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Of course you’re INTERPRETING, but by that as it may, WHAT is your point?

James 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.

Interpreting??? No...It's called understanding, and believing what's in front of your face...

579 posted on 09/15/2019 9:39:29 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

The only way a dead soul will allow you to hear that is as nonsense, yet it aptly describes the sacramental highway of the religion of Catholicism. ‘drip drip drip, yeah, we’re getting a portion of righteousness to add to the accounting’ ... catholiciism in action, empowering a faux priesthood and rushing souls to hell.


580 posted on 09/15/2019 9:42:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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