Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
Like all accounts of Gods faithfulness, mine begins with a genealogy. In the late seventeenth century, my mothers Congregationalist ancestors journeyed to the New World to escape what they saw as Englands deadly compromise with Romanism. Centuries later, American Presbyterians converted my fathers great-grandmother from Coptic Orthodoxy to Protestantism. Her son became a Presbyterian minister in the Evangelical Coptic Church. By the time my parents were living in twenty-first-century Illinois, their families historic Reformed commitments had been replaced by non-denominational, Baptistic evangelicalism.
This form of Christianity dominated my Midwestern hometown. My parents taught me to love God, revere the Scriptures, and seek truth through reason. In middle school, my father introduced me to theology, and as a present for my sixteenth birthday he arranged a meeting between me and a Catholic philosopher, Dr. B. From high school into college, Dr. B introduced me to Catholic thought and graciously helped me work through my doubts about Christianity. How could a just and loving God not reveal himself equally to everyone? What are we to make of the Bibles creation stories and flood narrative? Did Calvinism make God the author of evil? My acquaintance with Dr. B set my intellectual trajectory for several years.
The causes of any conversion (or near conversion) are many and confused. Should I foreground psychological and social factors or my theological reasoning? Certain elements of my attraction to Catholicism were adolescent, like a sixties radicals attraction to Marx or a contemporary activists to intersectionality: I aimed to preserve the core beliefs of my upbringing while fleeing their bourgeois expressions. When I arrived at the University of Chicago, I knew just enough about Calvinism to hold it in contemptwhich is to say, I knew very little. Reacting against the middle-aged leaders of the inaptly named Young, Restless, and Reformed Movement, I sought refuge in that other great Western theological tradition: Roman Catholicism.
During my first year of college, I became involved in campus Catholic life. Through the influence of the Catholic student group and the Lumen Christi Institute, which hosts lectures by Catholic intellectuals, my theologically inclined college friends began converting to Catholicism, one after another. These friends were devout, intelligent, and schooled in Christian history. I met faithful and holy Catholic priestsone of whom has valiantly defended the faith for years, drawing punitive opposition from his own religious superiors, as well as the ire of Chicagos archbishop. This priest was and is to me the very model of a holy, righteous, and courageous man.
I loved Catholicism because Catholics taught me to love the Church. At Lumen Christi events, I heard about saints and mystics, stylites and monastics, desert fathers and late-antique theologians. I was captivated by the holy martyrs, relics, Mary, and the Mass. I found in the Church a spiritual mother and the mother of all the faithful. Through Catholicism, I came into an inheritance: a past of saints and redeemed sinners from all corners of the earth, theologians who illuminated the deep things of God, music and art that summon men to worship God in the beauty of holiness, and a tradition to ground me in a world of flux.
Catholicism, which I took to be the Christianity of history, was a world waiting to be discovered. I set about exploring, and I tried to bring others along. I debated tradition with my mother, sola Scriptura with my then fiancée (now wife), and the meaning of the Eucharist with my father. On one occasion, a Reformed professor dispensed with my arguments for transubstantiation in a matter of minutes.
Not long after this, I began to notice discrepancies between Catholic apologists map of the tradition and the terrain I encountered in the tradition itself. St. Ambroses doctrine of justification sounded a great deal more like Luthers sola fide than like Trent. St. John Chrysostoms teaching on repentance and absolutionMourn and you annul the sinwould have been more at home in Geneva than Paris. St. Thomass doctrine of predestination, much to my horror, was nearly identical to the Synod of Dordts. The Anglican divine Richard Hooker quoted Irenaeus, Chrysostom, Augustine, and Pope Leo I as he rejected doctrines and practices because they were not grounded in Scripture. He cited Pope Gregory the Great on the ungodly title of universal bishop. The Council of Nicaea assumed that Alexandria was on a par with Rome, and Chalcedon declared that the Roman patriarchate was privileged only because [Rome] was the royal city. In short, I began to wonder whether the Reformers had a legitimate claim to the Fathers. The Church of Rome could not be straightforwardly identified as catholic.
John Henry Newman became my crucial interlocutor: More than in Ratzinger, Wojtyła, or Congar, in Newman I found a kindred spirit. Here was a man obsessed with the same questions that ate at me, questions of tradition and authority. With Newman, I agonized over conversion. I devoured his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine and his Apologia pro Vita Sua. Two of his ideas were pivotal for me: his theory of doctrinal development and his articulation of the problem of private judgment. On these two ideas hung all the claims of Rome.
In retrospect, I see that Newmans need to construct a theory of doctrinal development tells against Romes claims of continuity with the ancient Church. And at the time, though I wished to accept Newmans proposal that the early condition, and the evidence, of each doctrine . . . ought consistently to be interpreted by means of that development which was ultimately attained, I could not. One could only justify such assumptions if one were already committed to Roman Catholic doctrine and Romes meaningful continuity with what came before. Without either of these commitments, I simply could not find a plausible reason to speak of development rather than disjuncture, especially because what came before so often contradicted what followed.
The issue of ecclesiastical authority was trickier for me. I recognized the absurdity of a twenty-year-old presuming to adjudicate claims about the Scriptures and two thousand years of history. Newmans arguments against private judgment therefore had a prima facie plausibility for me. In his Apologia, Newman argues that mans rebellion against God introduced an anarchical condition of things, leading human thought toward suicidal excesses. Hence, the fittingness of a divinely established living voice infallibly proclaiming supernatural truths. In his discourse on Faith and Private Judgment, Newman castigates Protestants for refusing to surrender reason in matters religious. The implication is that reason is unreliable in matters of revelation. Faith is assent to the incontestable, self-evident truth of Gods revelation, and reasoning becomes an excuse to refuse to bend the knee.
The more I internalized Newmans claims about private judgment, however, the more I descended into skepticism. I could not reliably interpret the Scriptures, history, or Gods Word preached and given in the sacraments. But if I could not do these things, if my reason was unfit in matters religious, how was I to assess Newmans arguments for Roman Catholicism? Newman himself had once recognized this dilemma, writing in a pre-conversion letter, We have too great a horror of the principle of private judgment to trust it in so immense a matter as that of changing from one communion to another. Did he expect me to forfeit the faculty by which I adjudicate truth claims, because that faculty is fallible? My conversion would have to be rooted in my private judgmentbut, because of Romes claim of infallibility, conversion would forbid me from exercising that faculty ever again on doctrinal questions.
Finally, the infighting among traditionalist, conservative, and liberal Catholics made plain that Catholics did not gain by their magisterium a clear, living voice of divine authority. They received from the past a set of magisterial documents that had to be weighed and interpreted, often over against living prelates. The magisterium of prior ages only multiplied the texts one had to interpret for oneself, for living bishops, it turns out, are as bad at reading as the rest of us.
But I did not remain a Protestant merely because I could not become a Catholic. While I was discovering that Roman Catholicism could not be straightforwardly identified with the catholicism of the first six centuries (nor, in certain respects, with that of the seventh century through the twelfth), and as I was wrestling with Newman, I finally began reading the Reformers. What I found shocked me. Catholicism had, by this time, reoriented my theological concerns around the concerns of the Church catholic. My assumptions, and the issues that animated me, were those of the Church of history. My evangelical upbringing had led me to believe that Protestantism entailed the rejection of these concerns. But this notion exploded upon contact with the Protestantism of history.
Martin Luther, John Calvin, Richard Hooker, Herman Bavinck, Karl Barththey wrestled with the concerns of the Church catholic and provided answers to the questions Catholicism had taught me to pose. Richard Hooker interpreted the Churchs traditions; Calvin followed Luthers Augustinianism, proclaimed the visible Church the mother of the faithful, and claimed for the Reformation the Churchs exegetical tradition; Barth convinced me that Gods Word could speak, certainly and surely, from beyond all created realities, to me.
Catholicism had taught me to think like a Protestant, because, as it turned out, the Reformers had thought like catholics. Like their pope-aligned opponents, they had asked questions about justification, the authority of tradition, the mode of Christs self-gift in the Eucharist, the nature of apostolic succession, and the Churchs wielding of the keys. Like their opponents, Protestants had appealed to Scripture and tradition. In time, I came to find their answers not only plausible, but more faithful to Scripture than the Catholic answers, and at least as well-represented in the traditions of the Church.
The Protestants did more than out-catholic the Catholics. They also spoke to the deepest needs of sinful souls. I will never forget the moment when, like Luther five hundred years earlier, I discovered justification by faith alone through union with Christ. I was sitting in my dorm room by myself. I had been assigned Luthers Explanations of the Ninety-Five Theses, and I expected to find it facile. A year or two prior, I had decided that Trent was right about justification: It was entirely a gift of grace consisting of the gradual perfecting of the soul by faith and worksGod instigating and me cooperating. For years, I had attempted to live out this model of justification. I had gone to Mass regularly, prayed the rosary with friends, fasted frequently, read the Scriptures daily, prayed earnestly, and sought advice from spiritual directors. I had begun this arduous cooperation with Gods grace full of hope; by the time I sat in that dorm room alone, I was distraught and demoralized. I had learned just how wretched a sinner I was: No good work was unsullied by pride, no repentance unaccompanied by expectations of future sin, no love free from selfishness.
In this state, I picked up my copy of that arch-heretic Luther and read his explanation of Thesis 37: Any true Christian, whether living or dead, participates in all the blessings of Christ and the church; and this is granted him by God, even without indulgence letters. With these words, Luther transformed my understanding of justification: Every Christian possesses Christ, and to possess Christ is to possess all of Christs righteousness, life, and merits. Christ had joined me to himself.
I had put on Christ in baptism and, by faith through the work of the Spirit, all things were mine, and I was Christs, and Christ was Gods (Gal. 3:27; 1 Cor. 3:2123). His was not an uncertain mercy; his was not a grace of parts, which one hoped would become a whole; his was not a salvation to be attained, as though it were not already also a present possession. At that moment, the joy of my salvation poured into my soul. I wept and showed forth Gods praise. I had finally discovered the true ground and power of Protestantism: My beloved is mine, and I am his (Song 2:16).
Rome had brought me to Reformation.
That's not what Luther stated:
Martin Luther: it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!
Post #284.
A Christian is not going to practice these.
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You’re making a joke, right? Because you can saunter into any honky-tonk in the country and find them packed with people who claim to have been “saved”, and yet these people (they’re referred to in the Scriptures as SINNERS) are practicing every form of sinful behavior you can imagine. I know, I know, they were never saved in the first place! What nonsense!
Does that include Jesus?
Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)
You all have the formula wrong.
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Yep, just like that guy who wrote the infallible Scripture referred to by the “Mad Monk” as an “Epistle of Straw”!
Placemarker
I already know what He says.
It’s in His word.
Um, I give up. Your Catholic darkness is more than I care to confront tonight. The strawmen you can construct are so foolish as to need only ignoring.
Anyone else see the contradiction and hypocrisy here?
Which goes to show that works play no role in saving anyone.
Ditto! :o)
The assertion that baptism is to be born again, even with infants, spits in the face of God by purposelyremoving faith from the equation of Salvation. It is an Org mind (rhymes with Borg) that wants to empower their instiution and ignore God’s Grace. At the point of such foolishness there is nothing left but to warn them to not accept the mark of the beast they are already serving in their willful ignorance.
Anyone else see the contradiction and hypocrisy here?
Yes, right after I realized he was offering prayers to an angelic idol with a belly button.
Evidently when you said you do not resad my posts then you selectively meant it. Now answer the question I asked if you want any response from me.
I just believe the interpretation of Scripture that the church fathers in the first thru fourth centuries believed.
That it is identical to what Luther believed, ie faith alone, is just a coincidence.
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Oh, really?
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Ya Rly.
1. Clement of Rome (30-100): And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen. Source: Clement, First Epistle to the Corinthians, 32.4.
2. Epistle to Diognetus (second century): He gave His own Son as a ransom for us, the holy One for transgressors, the blameless One for the wicked, the righteous One for the unrighteous, the incorruptible One for the corruptible, the immortal One for them that are mortal. For what other thing was capable of covering our sins than His righteousness? By what other one was it possible that we, the wicked and ungodly, could be justified, than by the only Son of God? O sweet exchange! O unsearchable operation! O benefits surpassing all expectation! That the wickedness of many should be hid in a single righteous One, and that the righteousness of One should justify many transgressors! Source: The Epistle to Diognetus, 9.2-5.
3. Justin Martyr (100-165) speaks of those who repented, and who no longer were purified by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of an heifer, or by the offerings of fine flour, but by faith through the blood of Christ, and through His death. Source: Justin, Dialogue with Trypho, 13.
4. Origen (185-254): For God is just, and therefore he could not justify the unjust. Therefore he required the intervention of a propitiator, so that by having faith in Him those who could not be justified by their own works might be justified. Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.112.
5. Origen (again): A man is justified by faith. The works of the law can make no contribution to this. Where there is no faith which might justify the believer, even if there are works of the law these are not based on the foundation of faith. Even if they are good in themselves they cannot justify the one who does them, because faith is lacking, and faith is the mark of those who are justified by God. Source: Origen, Commentary on Romans, 2.136.
6. Hilary of Poitiers (300-368): Wages cannot be considered as a gift, because they are due to work, but God has given free grace to all men by the justification of faith. Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 20:7)
7. Hilary of Poitiers (again): It disturbed the scribes that sin was forgiven by a man (for they considered that Jesus Christ was only a man) and that sin was forgiven by Him whereas the Law was not able to absolve it, since faith alone justifies. Source: Hilary, Commentary on Matthew (on Matt. 9:3)
8. Didymus the Blind (c. 313-398) A person is saved by grace, not by works but by faith. There should be no doubt but that faith saves and then lives by doing its own works, so that the works which are added to salvation by faith are not those of the law but a different kind of thing altogether.[31] Source: Didymus the Blind. Commentary on James, 2:26b.
9. Basil of Caesarea (329-379): Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, that Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, redemption. This is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and is justified solely by faith in Christ. Source: Basil, Homily on Humility, 20.3.
10. Jerome (347420): We are saved by grace rather than works, for we can give God nothing in return for what he has bestowed on us. Source: Jerome, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.1.
11. John Chrysostom (349-407): For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faiths workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Ephesians, 4.2.9.
12. John Chrysostom (again): But what is the law of faith? It is, being saved by grace. Here he shows Gods power, in that He has not only saved, but has even justified, and led them to boasting, and this too without needing works, but looking for faith only. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 7.27.
13. John Chrysostom (again): God allowed his Son to suffer as if a condemned sinner, so that we might be delivered from the penalty of our sins. This is Gods righteousness, that we are not justified by works (for then they would have to be perfect, which is impossible), but by grace, in which case all our sin is removed. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians, 11.5.
14. John Chrysostom (again): Everywhere he puts the Gentiles upon a thorough equality. And put no difference between us and them, having purified their hearts by faith. (v. 9.) From faith alone, he says, they obtained the same gifts. This is also meant as a lesson to those (objectors); this is able to teach even them that faith only is needed, not works nor circumcision. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Acts, 32 (regarding Acts 15:1)
15. John Chrysostom (again): What then was it that was thought incredible? That those who were enemies, and sinners, neither justified by the law, nor by works, should immediately through faith alone be advanced to the highest favor. Upon this head accordingly Paul has discoursed at length in his Epistle to the Romans, and here again at length. This is a faithful saying, he says, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on 1 Timothy, 4.1.
16. John Chrysostom (again): For it is most of all apparent among the Gentiles, as he also says elsewhere, And that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy. (Romans 15:9.) For the great glory of this mystery is apparent among others also, but much more among these. For, on a sudden, to have brought men more senseless than stones to the dignity of Angels, simply through bare words, and faith alone, without any laboriousness, is indeed glory and riches of mystery: just as if one were to take a dog, quite consumed with hunger and the mange, foul, and loathsome to see, and not so much as able to move, but lying cast out, and make him all at once into a man, and to display him upon the royal throne. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Colossians, 5.2.
17. John Chrysostom (again): Now since the Jews kept turning over and over the fact, that the Patriarch, and friend of God, was the first to receive circumcision, he wishes to show, that it was by faith that he too was justified. And this was quite a vantage ground to insist upon. For a person who had no works, to be justified by faith, was nothing unlikely. But for a person richly adorned with good deeds, not to be made just from hence, but from faith, this is the thing to cause wonder, and to set the power of faith in a strong light. Source: John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, 8.1.
18. Augustine (354-430): If Abraham was not justified by works, how was he justified? The apostle goes on to tell us how: What does scripture say? (that is, about how Abraham was justified). Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness (Rom. 4:3; Gen. 15:6). Abraham, then, was justified by faith. Paul and James do not contradict each other: good works follow justification. Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 2-4.
19. Augustine (again): When someone believes in him who justifies the impious, that faith is reckoned as justice to the believer, as David too declares that person blessed whom God has accepted and endowed with righteousness, independently of any righteous actions (Rom 4:5-6). What righteousness is this? The righteousness of faith, preceded by no good works, but with good works as its consequence. Source: Augustine, Exposition 2 of Psalm 31, 6-7.
20. Ambrosiaster (fourth century): God has decreed that a person who believes in Christ can be saved without works. By faith alone he receives the forgiveness of sins. Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 1:4.
21. Ambrosiaster (again): They are justified freely because they have not done anything nor given anything in return, but by faith alone they have been made holy by the gift of God. Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:24.
22. Ambrosiaster (again): Paul tells those who live under the law that they have no reason to boast basing themselves on the law and claiming to be of the race of Abraham, seeing that no one is justified before God except by faith. Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Romans 3:27.
23. Ambrosiaster (again): God gave what he promised in order to be revealed as righteous. For he had promised that he would justify those who believe in Christ, as he says in Habakkuk: The righteous will live by faith in me (Hab. 2:4). Whoever has faith in God and Christ is righteous. Source: Ambrosiaster, Commentary on Pauls Epistles; CSEL 81 ad loc.
24. Marius Victorinus (fourth century): The fact that you Ephesians are saved is not something that comes from yourselves. It is the gift of God. It is not from your works, but it is Gods grace and Gods gift, not from anything you have deserved. We did not receive things by our own merit but by the grace and goodness of God. Source: Marius Victorinus, Epistle to the Ephesians, 1.2.9.
25. Prosper of Aquitaine (390455): And just as there are no crimes so detestable that they can prevent the gift of grace, so too there can be no works so eminent that they are owed in condign [deserved] judgment that which is given freely. Would it not be a debasement of redemption in Christs blood, and would not Gods mercy be made secondary to human works, if justification, which is through grace, were owed in view of preceding merits, so that it were not the gift of a Donor, but the wages of a laborer? Source: Prosper of Acquitaine, Call of All Nations, 1.17
26. Theodoret of Cyrus (393457): The Lord Christ is both God and the mercy seat, both the priest and the lamb, and he performed the work of our salvation by his blood, demanding only faith from us. Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Letter to the Romans; PG 82 ad loc.
27. Theodoret of Cyrus (again): All we bring to grace is our faith. But even in this faith, divine grace itself has become our enabler. For [Paul] adds, And this is not of yourselves but it is a gift of God; not of works, lest anyone should boast (Eph. 2:89). It is not of our own accord that we have believed, but we have come to belief after having been called; and even when we had come to believe, He did not require of us purity of life, but approving mere faith, God bestowed on us forgiveness of sins Source: Theodoret of Cyrus, Interpretation of the Fourteen Epistles of Paul; FEF 3:24849, sec. 2163.
28. Cyril of Alexandria (412-444): For we are justified by faith, not by works of the law, as Scripture says. By faith in whom, then, are we justified? Is it not in Him who suffered death according to the flesh for our sake? Is it not in one Lord Jesus Christ? Source: Cyril of Alexandria, Against Nestorius, 3.62
29. Fulgentius (462533): The blessed Paul argues that we are saved by faith, which he declares to be not from us but a gift from God. Thus there cannot possibly be true salvation where there is no true faith, and, since this faith is divinely enabled, it is without doubt bestowed by his free generosity. Where there is true belief through true faith, true salvation certainly accompanies it. Anyone who departs from true faith will not possess the grace of true salvation. Source: Fulgentius, On the Incarnation, 1; CCL 91:313.
30. Bede (673-735): Although the apostle Paul preached that we are justified by faith without works, those who understand by this that it does not matter whether they live evil lives or do wicked and terrible things, as long as they believe in Christ, because salvation is through faith, have made a great mistake. James here expounds how Pauls words ought to be understood. This is why he uses the example of Abraham, whom Paul also used as an example of faith, to show that the patriarch also performed good works in the light of his faith. It is therefore wrong to interpret Paul in such a way as to suggest that it did not matter whether Abraham put his faith into practice or not. What Paul meant was that no one obtains the gift of justification on the basis of merits derived from works performed beforehand, because the gift of justification comes only from faith.
Source: Cited from the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (ed. Gerald Bray), NT, vol. 11, p. 31.
And now that I’ve proven that the vaunted ‘church fathers’ of Roman Catholicism contradict each other, it therefore follows that the Romanist vanity of taking her authority from ‘unanimous consent’ of the church fathers is a bunch of hooey.
Therefore according to her own proofs, Roman Catholicism is NOT the ‘one true church’.
QED.
Wow, just wow. Look how much the Catholic Org mind dismisses to speciously proclaim the ECF did not believe and teach faith alone in Christ alone.
And finally, you obviously A: didn’t read the article, and B: have no idea what non-Catholics actually believe about faith and works.
Keep tilting at that strawman, buddy.
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