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Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More
One Peter Five ^ | August 5, 2019 | Timothy Flanders

Posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:08 PM PDT by ebb tide

Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

Marian devotion is the cure for heresy and the healing of all heretics. We must turn to her for refuge from the heretical depravity now consuming the Church. Marian devotion is the destruction of error, the fount of humility, and a potent safeguard for orthodox faith.

Mary Is the Destroyer of All Heresies

In True Devotion to Mary, St. Louis de Montfort writes:

The most infallible and indubitable sign by which we may distinguish a heretic, a man of bad doctrine, a reprobate, from one of the predestinate, is that the heretic and the reprobate have nothing but contempt and indifference for our Blessed Lady, endeavoring by their words and examples to diminish the veneration and love of her. (30)

In the Tract for the Mass Salve Sancta Parens, the Church sings, “Rejoice, O Virgin Mary, thou alone hast destroyed all heresies.” From this, Pope St. Pius X invoked her as “Destroyer of Heresies” in Pascendi 58. And again, it was in the context of St. Dominic’s war against heresy that the Holy Rosary, Mary’s psalter, was revealed.

Thus, it is manifest that Our Lady holds a special place in the relationship of Holy Church with heresy and heretics. Why is this? It is because the root cause of heresy is not anger, lust, or sloth, but pride. A formal heretic pridefully and obstinately rejects the authority of the Church and the authority of the Fathers. His whole opinion hinges on an imaginary antiquarianism created by his pride. And it is against the sin of pride that Our Lady most perfectly shows her power. This is why St. Louis says in another place:

[Satan] fears her not only more than all Angels and men, but in some sense more than God Himself … because Satan, being proud, suffers infinitely more from being beaten and punished by a little and humble handmaid of God, and her humility humbles him more than the Divine power. (True Devotion, 52)

Demons and heretics fear her because she threatens to humble them. The latter impiously attack her under the pretense that they are safeguarding the honor due to God. In reality, they know that Mary will destroy their prideful opinions. “Humility is an abomination to the proud ” (Ecclus. 13:24).

How Mary Humbles the Proud

When the Holy Spirit exalted Mary by the mouth of St. Elizabeth, Mary said:

He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble. (Lk. 1:51)

Devotion to Mary brings humility to the soul. Just as St. John heard her voice and leaped for joy, and St. Elizabeth immediately humbled herself, saying “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Lk. 1:43), we too know this humility when we exalt Mary.

Mary humbles us because God wills that Jesus Christ be manifested to the world through her. According to nature, any man is her equal. According to grace and merit, she is “more honorable than the cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim” [1]. In Mary, our humility is truly tested because she is a human, not God.

Humility toward God is presumed by all, and heretics falsely think themselves humble because they say they submit to God. But their pride is revealed when they refuse to submit to man — both legitimate authority and the sayings of the wise. “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that is wise hearkeneth unto counsels” (Prov. 12:15).

A humble man may even debase himself before wicked men, as our Lord did.  But heretics have no humility toward men. In reality, heretics are attempting to impose their private opinion on all authorities. They have no humility toward any human but are consumed in their own selves. As the history of Protestantism has shown, it is easy to feign humility toward God while exalting yourself over every man. This is the way of all the heretics.

One who is humble toward Mary will be humble toward authority. Mary especially checks the pride of heretics by proclaiming that they cannot have their own private, “personal Jesus,” since our Lord has forever bound Himself to His mother by His incarnation. In the same way that the Incarnation is the foundation of our redemption — without which there can be no Passion or Resurrection — the human person of Jesus Christ cannot exist without the person of Mary [2]. As I have written in another place, true union with Christ will result in love of Mary as our mother, who was also the first natural cause of His appearance to the world.

Marian Devotion is a test for orthodoxy

Since Marian Devotion is the fount of humility, it becomes a powerful test for orthodoxy. For example, when St. John Vianney’s lack of intelligence presented a barrier to his ordination, he was evaluated like this:

The vicar-general asked the superior of the seminary: ‘Is young Vianney pious? Is he devoted to the Blessed Virgin?’ The authorities were able to assure him fully upon these points. ‘Then,’ said the vicar-general, ‘I will receive him. Divine grace will do the rest.’ [3]

And so the Church ordained the future patron of parish priests. Sometimes it is as simple as asking if a man has Marian devotion. If a man is truly devoted to our Lady, he can be no heretic. St. Louis again:

“If you follow her,” says St. Bernard, “you cannot wander from the road.” Fear not, therefore, that a true child of Mary can be deceived by the evil one, or fall into any formal heresy. There where the guidance of Mary is, neither the evil spirit with his illusions, nor the heretics with their subtleties, can ever come — Ipsa tenente, non corruis. (True Devotion, 209) [4]

Thus, it is unsurprising that when we read through Building a Bridge by James Martin, S.J., a book purported to be about mercy and compassion, not a single page mentions the Mother of mercy and compassion. In fact, on page 130, he even erroneously asserts that at the Resurrection, Mary Magdalene was the first Christian, implicitly denying our Lady and the entire tradition of her Saturday memorial in which her sole faithfulness is commemorated. The examples of his warped or deficient Marian piety are only too easy to find [5].

But it is even more disturbing when we read how the Rhine group at Vatican II successfully suppressed the document on the Mother of God, relegating it, by a narrow vote, to the final section in Lumen Gentium (against the protests from Eastern Catholic bishops and others) [6]. When their efforts to suppress Marian devotion were opposed by Paul VI (to his credit), the time became known to them as “Black Week” [7]. Perhaps more alarming, Ratzinger himself admits that his Marian piety was weak in Last Testament and seems to imply the false dichotomy that Marian piety is not Christocentric [8]. Without succumbing to the sin of rash judgment, it is nevertheless suggestive that this lack of Marian piety correlates with an apparent hubris on the part of many Vatican II “reformers.”

Whatever the true state of these and other men with an apparent reluctance to love and honor their own mother, we can be certain that our Blessed Lady is a sure refuge from heresy. As Fr. Ripperger has stated, without a strong intellectual formation, everyone becomes a Modernist in our corrupt society. That is why we must cling to Our Lady for refuge from heretics and heresy in our time.

True devotion to Mary keeps us safe from the excesses of pride. Even more in our day, let us consider: she stood firm, though she witnessed the Passion and death of our Lord. We also must stand firm, even as we are witnessing the passion and death of the Church. Moreover, it seems clear from her frequent apparitions since the 19th century that Our Lord has purposed His mother for a special role in resolving this crisis. Let us pray our daily rosary and make the First Saturdays. Let us abide with Our Lady in the Passion of the Church and never lose hope for the Glorious Resurrection.


[1] Eastern Catholic Marian antiphon

[2] So too the mediation of the Sacraments — through another human — we receive our Lord.

[3] The Life of Saint John Vianney, The Curé of Ars, ch. 1

[4] It should be noted that Marian devotion is not an infallible test for orthodoxy, but merely a general rule against which there can be significant exceptions. Some Protestants, although material heretics, are in fact humble, and some Catholics are orthodox with little or no Marian piety. However, no man can be truly devoted to Our Lady and be a heretic. Moreover, formal heresy is defined as an error in the intellect and an obstinate will. It is particularly the latter from which Mary keeps us safe.

[5] I refuse to expose the reader to any further abuse of Our Lady from James Martin. Suffice it to say I have searched in vain for a substantial treatment or promotion of Marian devotion from Martin, and he admits in My Life with the Saints, p. 345ff., that his Marian devotion, which was shallow in his youth, was formed by the Jesuits as an imitation model, not the traditional, primarily mediatrix role. If his Marian devotion does go beyond sentimentality, let him publicly and explicitly disavow every heresy of which he is accused.

[6] See Rev. Ralph Wiltgen, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber (Augustine, 1979), 90ff.

[7] See Ibid., 234ff. The Rhine group was opposing Paul VI’s honoring of our Lady as “Mother of the Church” as well as his actions regarding collegiality, religious liberty, and ecumenism.

[8] See Benedict XVI, Last Testament, trans. Jacob Phillips (Bloomsbury, 2016), 70ff. As I have read more into Ratzinger, despite his obvious strengths, more of his theology has concerned me. This point was another red flag


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To: ebb tide

All this obsession over Mary and no apparent obsession over Jesus - even though part of His purpose was to allow us to develop a personal relationship with Him as He walked among us as a man and to give us a direct line to God the Father....yet we also get obsessed with praying to dead mortals to “intercede” for us.....because other mortals derided these particular dead mortals have sway over their Creator.
I don’t get it.


321 posted on 08/08/2019 3:54:19 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: A strike
I’m not RCC, but, is Mary Divine ?

The Catholic Church says no. But in a practical sense many Catholics treat her as if she is.


322 posted on 08/08/2019 6:03:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: metmom

As Mary said in Luke.


323 posted on 08/08/2019 6:13:29 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: metmom

You think you know it all, but in reality you know but a fraction of what the truth is. It is not up to me to reveal things to you, it is up to God.

The way I look at it, we are on the same journey towards heaven. You rely on scripture only, which Catholics rely on too. But Catholic also have the beautiful traditions that have been passed down as it also says in scripture. Protestants disbelieve the traditions handed down. I’m sorry you will never know the church’s full beauty as God intended it to be.

Mary can’t contradict Jesus. It’s not possible.


324 posted on 08/08/2019 6:14:25 AM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: ebb tide
What is the subject?
Is it not heretics and Mary?

It appears twofold:

Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More



I've YET to see ANY Catholic on this thread produce any valid evidence to either one.

325 posted on 08/08/2019 6:18:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
...why *else* would she have asked, Sherlock ?
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.
. It's rather obvious that He wasn't doing it all on His own initiative.


You sure are doing a heck of a lot of ASSUMING in these statements.

326 posted on 08/08/2019 6:20:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Manly Warrior
No, certainly there is life after death, and resurrection, but the resurrection of the dead occurs in the future. Gotta study the Word to show yourself approved....

I've read something like that; somewhere...



 
  
1 Thessalonians 4:13 
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
 
 
Daniel 12:2 
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
 
Psalm 90:5 
Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:
 

John 11:12-13 
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 
Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
 

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 
Listen, I tell you a mystery:
We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 

Ephesians 5:14 
This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

327 posted on 08/08/2019 6:25:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
She also TOLD the stewards to do what Her Son instructed them to do.

Almost...


His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it”

John 2:5

328 posted on 08/08/2019 6:27:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
This is fact and undeniable.

I deny it as it is an assumption; proven by NO 'facts'.

329 posted on 08/08/2019 6:29:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
But Catholic also have the beautiful traditions that have been passed down as it also says in scripture. Protestants disbelieve the traditions handed down.

Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

330 posted on 08/08/2019 6:33:32 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: grey_whiskers
Because the actions of Jesus were in response to what she said.

How can you be so sure?


Why do you assume it was HER business to intervene in what the Master of the banquet had planned and prepared for?


Jesus said to the servants, Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

Then he told them, Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

 

Must have been a BIG party; as there were 6 large containers, between 20-30 gallons each, filled up.  If these guests ALREADY had  "too  much to drink" before the miracle; can you imagine the results AFTER the 'best' had been consumed?

331 posted on 08/08/2019 6:41:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
The RCC approves them because they’re TRUE.

You've been taught this backward.

332 posted on 08/08/2019 6:42:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: deks; gcparent
"Demons and heretics [non-Catholics] fear her because she threatens to humble them.

I don't think I'm a demon; but I will admit to being a non-Catholic.

Rome's 'Mary' doesn't threaten to humble me at all.


She supplies NOTHING I cannot get from Christ; alone.

333 posted on 08/08/2019 6:46:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
She appeared to Bernadette in 1858 in Lourdes, France.

Speculation.


The reason we see things differently is because you don’t believe in the true presence of Jesus in the eucharist.

BECAUSE??

I guess you are right.


If I believed this , then I'd surely be more open to 'believe' in other things the church taught me; too.

334 posted on 08/08/2019 6:49:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
...why Mary needed to be pure …

BECAUSE it is needed to prop up the REST of the assumptions made about her.

Have you forgotten that she made an offering to get RID of her UNPURENESS?


Luke 2:22-24

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”), and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

335 posted on 08/08/2019 6:52:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Demontfort wrote:

9. The whole world is filled with her glory, and this is especially true of Christian peoples, who have chosen her as guardian and protectress of kingdoms, provinces, dioceses, and towns. Many cathedrals are consecrated to God in her name. There is no church without an altar dedicated to her, no country or region without at least one of her miraculous images where all kinds of afflictions are cured and all sorts of benefits received. Many are the confraternities and associations honouring her as patron; many are the orders under her name and protection; many are the members of sodalities and religious of all congregations who voice her praises and make known her compassion. There is not a child who does not praise her by lisping a Hail Mary. There is scarcely a sinner, however hardened, who does not possess some spark of confidence in her. The very devils in hell, while fearing her, show her respect.

336 posted on 08/08/2019 6:53:36 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Prov 24: Do not fret because of evildoers. Do not associate with those given to change.)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
... but you never will.

Then; since you've already judged us thus; you may save time by not praying for us.

337 posted on 08/08/2019 6:53:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
But in a practical sense many Catholics treat her as if she is.

Ya just GOT to!!!


Who has denied all the MATH shown on this thread?

338 posted on 08/08/2019 6:55:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Marvel should latch on to her in it’s next Super Hero movie!


339 posted on 08/08/2019 6:56:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
I’m sorry you will never know the church’s full beauty as God intended it to be.

Who has known the mind of GOD?


I guess the seven Catholic churches that the angel told John to write to must have missed that 'beauty'; too.

I know that EVERY Catholic bible has ACTS 15 in it.

I'm sure that the 'beauty' of the TRADITIONS are to be seen there as well.

340 posted on 08/08/2019 6:59:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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