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To: boatbums
Just. Stop.

The phrase "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior" does not appear ANYWHERE in Scripture.

I wanted to establish that fact first.

Second.

I don't see any mention of that catchphrase anywhere, until the Born Again movement in the US, following the publication of Richard Nixon's former hatchet man, Chuck Colson's book Born Again, in 1976.

I conclude that the phrase is a recent man-made invention.

Recent enough, that it post-dates the Bible.

So much for Protestants following sola scriptura as they define it.

It is BECAUSE I knew the phrase didn't exist in the Bible I called you out on it by asking the question.

Incidentally, I was born again in 1976 and I've been reading the Bible daily since 1978 or 1979.

But you never bothered to ask that; you just assumed something about me which is factually untrue (that I'm a Catholic, led by fear to rote repetition of dead works, in the hopes of EARNING salvation. Nope.) The issue with Protestants, on those occasions that they go wrong, is that they quote a verse, but the doctrine they define from it, is based on not actually reading the verse; but on what their teacher or Bible Scholar tells them to think about the verse; often thumbtacking or scotch taping or piggybacking some doctrine ONTO the verse, when the doctrine is only analogous to, or roughly parallel, to the verse, rather than being contained in it.

"Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Personal Savior" (i.e., "the sinner's prayer" and "the four spiritual laws") are among them.

And they neglect other verses, too.

Like women praying with their heads covered; or not adorning themselves with fine clothes, but with good works.

1 Peter 3:4-5.

And don't even get me started on "dispensationalism."

(I've seen far, far more competition over how well women are dressed, almost as a matter of course, in Protestant churches as compared to Catholic ones.)

I think Christians of ALL denominations should pray for one another (Romans 14, read the whole thing.)

357 posted on 08/08/2019 2:23:46 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers; boatbums; Mom MD; aMorePerfectUnion; ebb tide; metmom; Mrs. Don-o
The phrase "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior" does not appear ANYWHERE in Scripture.

This is understandable why the Roman Catholic doesn't view Christ in this manner.

Roman Catholics have it beat into their heads that Jesus is the judgmental Savior Who appears ready to zap the Roman Catholic for every indiscretion whereas Mary is the kind, sweet mother they can run to and ask for things because her mean ol' Son won't listen to them.

It's one of the primary reasons for such Mariolatry in Roman Catholicism.

It may also explain why so many Roman Catholics have fallen for the lie of the apparition regarding wearing a man-made piece of cloth to avoid the eternal fire.

However, IF one reads the Bible one begins to truly understand just how personal the relationship is with Jesus.

He died for us. Consider that. He died for us.

Consider this event regarding the death of Lazarus on how Jesus responded.

This is from John 11 for the Biblically challenged:

10“But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11This He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.”

Skipping down a bit...….notice what Jesus says to her regarding belief....the promise of salvation for those who believe.

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21Martha then said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. 22“Even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.” 23Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”

25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

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This is her profession of faith in Him in verse 27.....sounds pretty personal doesn't it?

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27She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.”

33When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and was troubled, 34and said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to Him, “Lord, come and see.”

35Jesus wept.

38So Jesus, again being deeply moved within, came to the tomb. Now it was a cave, and a stone was lying against it

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10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Romans 5:10-11 NASB

12“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14“You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15“No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16“You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17“This I command you, that you love one another. John 15:12-17 NASB

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Still wanna say He's not your personal Lord and Savior?

358 posted on 08/08/2019 3:47:42 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: grey_whiskers
...Richard Nixon's former hatchet man, Chuck Colson's book Born Again, in 1976.

Chop chop!

I guess you are upset Chuck became a nasty PROT instead of a wonderful Catholic.

386 posted on 08/08/2019 7:09:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers

You are illustrating the Truth that a dead soul cannot discern spiritual truth. Thank you for the assistance. ... Don’t accept the MArk of the Beast when commanded to you.


400 posted on 08/08/2019 9:42:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: grey_whiskers
Just. Stop. The phrase "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior" does not appear ANYWHERE in Scripture. I wanted to establish that fact first.

You should be more specific then! You stated:

    By the way, where in the Bible does it define "being born again" as "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal savior"? /Evangelical catch phrase> I've begun to realize that a lot of what the Protestants teach (despite the *claims* of sola scriptura is merely the teaching of men, without even holding a Council of Nicea or of Ephesus.

You didn't ask whether the "term" is found in your mocking of Protestants/Evangelicals but where it is DEFINED in the Bible. If you cannot see how the concept of believing in/receiving Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord (and it IS a personal decision) is the same thing as accepting Him, then you ought to "Just. Stop.". Besides, if you actually understand what sola Scriptura means, you would know that it is the belief that because Scripture is the Divinely-inspired word of God, by its authority everything we must believe in order to have eternal life and live godly in Christ Jesus is explicitly or implicitly taught in Scripture:

    “The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” —Westminster Confession of Faith

There, now you know!

I don't see any mention of that catchphrase anywhere, until the Born Again movement in the US, following the publication of Richard Nixon's former hatchet man, Chuck Colson's book Born Again, in 1976. I conclude that the phrase is a recent man-made invention. Recent enough, that it post-dates the Bible. So much for Protestants following sola scriptura as they define it. It is BECAUSE I knew the phrase didn't exist in the Bible I called you out on it by asking the question.

Which "catchphrase"? Born again or "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior"? I showed you some of the numerous places in Scripture that specifically teach the doctrine of "born again". As for the other, if you really have a problem with equating "accepting" with "receiving" or "believing", then I'd say that's being petty. And, as to claiming it doesn't jibe with sola Scriptura, then see the definition above. It is NOT piggybacking, thumbtacking or scotch taping a doctrine onto a verse - that does describe, however, quite a few dogmas and doctrines of Roman Catholicism. Do you also have a problem when they do it?

478 posted on 08/08/2019 8:32:35 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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