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To: metmom
Paul refers to them as *disputable matters* and makes allowance for it.

Don't kid yourself. The differences in Protestant theology involve more than what foods you eat. One example:

From the Large Catechism:

    In the second place, since we know now what Baptism is, and how it is to be regarded, we must also learn why and for what purpose it is instituted; that is, what it profits, gives, and works. And this also we cannot discern better than from the words of Christ above quoted: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. 24] Therefore state it most simply thus, that the power, work, profit, fruit, and end of Baptism is this, namely, to save. For no one is baptized in order that he may become a prince, but, as the words declare, that he be saved. 25] But to be saved, we know, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death, and the devil, and to enter into the kingdom of Christ, and to live with Him forever.
we are heaven bound because of the trust we have put in Jesus for our salvation, and be what RC'S call *be in communion with each other* although there are still some doctrinal issues.

It isn't just what the Catholics define as being in full communion; many Protestants churches do also. For example, here is how the ELCA defines full communion. Do you see your church listed. If not, you are not.

341 posted on 06/17/2019 2:54:40 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan; metmom; EagleOne

Anybody that believe that Baptism is a requirement for Salvation in Christ is a true amateur and in need of a quick rebuke at the least. Shunned at the most.

The Cathoholics will self-flagellate themselves to death in attempt after attempt in order to justify themselves before a Righteous and Holy God.

Same can be said of plenty of legalistic Protestants as well.

YES....it is “Believe”.

John 6:29
Acts 16:31
Romans 4:5
Romans 10:9-10
1 John 5:1


352 posted on 06/17/2019 4:23:41 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Al Hitan
Being in or not in *full communion* with the ELCA affects neither my salvation nor my ability to worship with them or consider them my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Whereas Catholicism states this......

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

Pius 9, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore: “Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff..”
-http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9quanto.htm

Pope Pius IX (1846–1878), Encyclical Singulari Quidem March 17, 1856): “There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church. (On the Unity of the Catholic Church)
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9singul.htm

St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if we imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals [Greeks] says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.” — St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: (Promulgated November 18, 1302) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce [ex cathedra] that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

"If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself. " — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html

Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."

IOW, you have to be a Roman Catholic to even think you might be able to get to heaven, and even then there are no guarantees.

Do you think God's going to give you a theology exam when you die to see if you got your Catholic doctrine right before He lets you into heaven?

369 posted on 06/17/2019 4:44:57 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Al Hitan

The ELCA is an apostate social club that meets on Sundays and has no connection with the Truth. I care what they consider full communion about as much as I care what the Romans consider full communion. None have any bearing on my life or salvation.


391 posted on 06/17/2019 5:56:10 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Al Hitan
...since we know now what Baptism is, and how it is to be regarded...

Since Rome seems to KNOW these things; perhaps a link to the facts of this knowledge can be shown.

437 posted on 06/17/2019 7:24:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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