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OSV.com ^ | 03-28-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/30/2019 8:12:59 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Luircin
The Samaritans came out from Israel and established their own doctrines. They vied with, and despised, the Jews and imagined that their beliefs were true. All the truth they did have came from the Jews. It was not given to the Samaritans to have authority or revelation. Their only path back to salvation was through the Jews. Similarly, everything Protestantism/Evangelicalism has that is true came from the one holy catholic and apostolic Church. Protestantism has no authority or revelation. Anything it has that is true had to come from those who came before, fifteen long centuries.

As for genuine churches, can you point to a post where one (other than you) used the word "only" in that context ?
601 posted on 04/01/2019 7:39:17 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

Their only path back to salvation was through the Jews.

***

Was through JESUS.

Be specific.

Not through Roman Catholicism.


602 posted on 04/01/2019 7:59:02 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: ADSUM; Luircin
However individual salvation is based on God’s judgement. St. Paul states: “I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby justified [Gk., dedikaiomai]. It is the Lord who judges me” (1 Cor. 4:4) St Paul was referring to works of the Jewish law of the Old Testament.

Actually, no, he was not. How about some CONTEXT?

    This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found faithful. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.

    For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

    I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?(I Cor. 4:1-7)

He is talking about how OTHERS judge him by his manner of life - the SAME thing James speaks to. It is ludicrous that Paul would contradict himself and he never does nor could he since he is speaking as the Holy Spirit has inspired and moved him.

603 posted on 04/01/2019 8:09:09 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: Elsie

"Still wondering about my gender?"


Nah!   (Some people now claim there are something like 63 different genders.   Since you're asking your question so nicely and sincerely, if I was forced to admit it, I'd have to honestly say that I was beginning to wonder if you were one of those "tweeners", Elsie, since you DID choose a girly name like that, but when you told us how old you actually are, (as old as Bernie Sanders, for heaven's sake!!!), I figured it doesn't make much difference to ANYONE what gender you really are!   Who the hell cares?   Who cares what gender Bernie Sanders is?)        :-)

(Just kidding -- April 1 -- Elsie!   I actually like quite a few doddering, feeble-facultied, moldy-oldie, elderly people, down there at the old folks home -- I mean, the "Senior Living Center"!)        :-)

604 posted on 04/01/2019 8:43:00 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: metmom

"Why should Catholics hang their heads shame?"   "For identifying as a Catholic. For continuing to affiliate with an organization in which the horror stories we hear about the Catholic hierarchy are widespread and rampant and apparently not being dealt with. For supporting it in ANY way shape, or form, which gives it your approval."


So, with logic like that, you would advocate for Americans to stop being Americans, because they had some bad leaders (Obama for 8 years, Schiff, Schumer, Maxine Waters, Pelosi, Biden, etc.), who didn't follow the rules and guidelines contained within our USA laws and Constitution?   And, should we also just tear up that US Constitution, just because a certain number of leaders in our USA did not follow it correctly for a while?

605 posted on 04/01/2019 8:44:47 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: Elsie

"Did you learn your craft at ebb’s knee?"


One thing that is plain, Elsie, is that the peculiar posts oozing out from you own personal thought patterns, obviously mirror your chosen, "unusual" screen name!

606 posted on 04/01/2019 8:46:11 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: Luircin

"How long do you think we should wait without replies before we just declare victory and wait for the next thread where we’ll just do this all over again?"


Wow, that sounds like the devil's logic!   God stopped "posting" to His Holy Scriptures thousands of years ago, but the devil keeps right on "posting" his porn, and his media lies, and his "demoncrap party platform of baby-killing and perversion", etc., etc., etc.   (In spite of that, God is winning, and the devil is losing.)

Another way of looking at it, is to look at your fellow millenial, AOC.   Many people try to explain the real world to AOC, but they eventually stop arguing with her, and just walk away.   It is certainly not because she is right about anything, and they are wrong, but rather, because it eventually becomes very clear that she is too damn thick of a numbskull to be able to grasp the truths they are telling her, so they wisely move on to more useful and productive things, (yet she keeps right on spouting her false, idiotic BS, like her cerebral reflections on the expulsive horrors of cow farts).

If I see someone here who demonstrates repeatedly that they are too helplessly obtuse to see what others are saying, (similar to that famous millenial, AOC herself), it's time to move on to doing something else with my time, of more value, at least for a while.   You can declare victory all you want, but of course that's simply a bold-faced falsehood.

607 posted on 04/01/2019 8:47:55 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: Luircin

"Assuming that what you post is accurate, which I am not convinced of:   [Am I supposed to care about what you are convinced of?]   So why not just call them ‘elder’ or ‘pastor’ or anything BUT ‘father’ then? Why sow confusion about discordance between doctrine and Scripture?"

The whole point of my post, Luircin, was that the Scriptures are NOT in contradiction to the teachings of the Church, as even the Apostle Paul himself called a man "father" of all believers in Romans 4:11-12, and he would never have done that in the God-inspired Holy Scriptures, if God really meant literally that he should never call a man "father".   Jesus obviously did not mean that literally (just like He did not literally mean to "pluck your eye out"), or St. Paul would never have disobeyed his Lord, and called a man "father", in a spiritual sense like that.

608 posted on 04/01/2019 8:49:15 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: metmom

That's not in the Bible, that's all made up.

You make up your own Bible as you go along, don't you metmom?   When St. Paul called Abraham the father of the gentile believers in Romans 4:11, he was talking about Abraham being their spiritual father.   (Abraham was NOT, in any sense, their biological father.)

609 posted on 04/01/2019 8:51:48 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: boatbums

So, is faith without works dead, or isn't it?



Well, boatbums, I have a Bible text for you too (and for all bums, everywhere), as well as a great old song on youtube to share with you, for your pleasure and enjoyment, this April 1st.   Here they go:

       Bible Text:   "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise."   Proverbs 6:6

       Song:   "Hallelujah!   I'm A Bum!

Happy April 1st!        :-)

Darn, it's April 2nd now!   (Slow fingers)   Oh well, Happy April 2nd, and goodnight to all!

611 posted on 04/01/2019 9:03:25 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: Elsie

Or sleep.


612 posted on 04/01/2019 9:06:47 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Salvation
As in many of his articles, Pope is close to "getting it righty" on a lot of doctrinal issues, more so than most Catholics one reads or talks to.

But here's the basic problem: If he were totally concerned with "Bcoming (a) Christian" than "Becoming Catholic," a more sincere dialogue might take place.

Regarding the issues he addresses in this piece, we would agree. But observing the doctrinal stance in the wrong framework kills the essential purpose and result.

613 posted on 04/01/2019 9:39:17 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Songcraft; Elsie

So what is the import of the Matthew 25:31-46 quotation in your foolish note to Elsie? To whom was this passage addressed, about whom was it written, and what is the context in which the judgment takes place?


614 posted on 04/01/2019 10:09:46 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Songcraft

Well, considering that you’re defending your faith, I would think that yes you ARE trying to convince me.

And you seem to be getting quite angry that you’re failing to so so.


615 posted on 04/01/2019 10:37:14 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Songcraft
So, is faith without works dead, or isn't it?

Well, that IS what the verse says, isn't it? What you must figure out is what is MEANT by "dead". Does it mean if you don't do good works YOU are dead and going to hell? Or does it mean a faith that isn't demonstrated by good deeds is not genuine faith? Or does it mean a professed faith that isn't backed up by doing the works God has prepared for His children to walk in is not a genuine saving faith? I think many people read into that passage things that other verses simply don't back up. You shouldn't read verses in isolation. That is the key - and the basis of sound Biblical hermeneutics - Scripture interprets Scripture. So what do YOU think James meant by it?

I don't think it means we must do good works in order to be saved - which is what accursed, faith PLUS works-based religions have in common - but a true faith cannot help but to be evidenced by a heart change and progressive holiness of life because it is God working within us through the Holy Spirit to do what pleases Him. Not to be saved, but because we are saved.

BTW...keep your childish name calling off threads that discuss serious doctrines of the Christian faith - it doesn't help your Freeper reputation.

616 posted on 04/01/2019 11:42:22 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: Elsie
Did you learn your craft at ebb’s knee?

Or some other joint. ;o)

617 posted on 04/01/2019 11:44:27 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: Salvation; Jim 0216

Except it takes a priest to determine whether or not that parishioner can commune with the church.

Jesus Christ never denied anyone sitting at the table.


618 posted on 04/02/2019 12:16:46 AM PDT by marajade (Skywalker)
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To: matt1234; Salvation

I’d say the reverse is true.

The CC has forgiven assaulting priests but still blames the victims of the abuse for causing it.


619 posted on 04/02/2019 12:20:10 AM PDT by marajade (Skywalker)
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To: Luircin
Be specific.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

John, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verse twenty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

620 posted on 04/02/2019 3:44:02 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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