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The Methodist mess in St. Louis
Christian Century ^ | 2/27/2019 | William H. Willimon

Posted on 02/28/2019 5:47:05 AM PST by Gamecock

Before the United Methodist Special General Conference opened on Saturday, we prayed. Perhaps God would miraculously grant a fruitful discussion among 800 disputants who have very little in common except our cross-and-flame nametags. We prayed for openness to different points of view, unity, communion, gracious listening, holy conferencing, empathetic feelings, and generosity of spirt.

It didn’t work.

At some point I shifted my own prayers to, “Lord, please melt the hardened hearts and smite everyone who intends to vote against the One Church Plan.” This plan, recommended by the UMC bishops, aimed to give more discretion to local churches and annual conferences in LGBTQ inclusion, ministry, and mission. It was summarily trashed early in the voting; the rival Traditional Plan, which reaffirms the denomination’s prohibitions against same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy, was approved.

The Lord, as far as I could tell, had business elsewhere. In fairness to the Lord, months earlier nearly everybody had announced how they would vote on the questions before us. Many vowed that if the outcome was disagreeable to them, they would pack up their congregation and exit the UMC. Ever try to have a church meeting after half of the attendees announce, “If this doesn’t go our way, and maybe even if it does, we’re leaving”?

Now it is the UMC’s turn to experience the agony previously endured by the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Lutherans, though I fear that our interlocked, connectional polity will make our pain worse. We bishops believed in unity but couldn’t figure out how to lead it. As we called for generosity and openness from the podium, Traditional Plan politicos were busy on the floor counting votes and making deals. The Traditional Plan carried the day but with a majority so slim that few could call it a victory. (Every pastor knows not to go into a building program with less than 60 percent of the vote.) Traditionalists and progressives did share one conviction: don’t trust bishops.

The misnamed Traditional Plan—little in the 200-year tradition of American Methodism justifies such punitive, exclusionary measures—passed after being amended in a fruitless attempt to overcome its lack of constitutional validity. The traditionalists from the Wesleyan Covenant Association got to go back home proud of the way they had defended “scriptural authority,” eager to roll up their sleeves and go to work tearing asunder the church that produced them.

In the four decades I’ve been an ordained leader in the UMC, we have lost 30 percent of our membership. Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude. From what I know of Jesus, I predict he will not deal graciously with the infidelity of this church born in John Wesley’s exuberant, extroverted, “Salvation for all!” A chill overtook my once-warmed Wesleyan heart as convention delegates casually discussed the conditions for a “gracious exit.” Never had I heard schism so openly affirmed in a church meeting. My question for right-wing schismatics: Do you really think that your vote at General Conference can stop the Trinity from creating LGBTQ Christians and then recklessly sending them to lead Methodist churches?

What now for the UMC? There will be significant losses from LGBTQ Christians and their allies who have given up on the UMC, along with losses from those for whom the UMC will never be confined, closed, and conservative enough. We’ll be poorer for the loss of both conversation partners. As for those in the global church who participated in this smackdown of North American Methodist mission and evangelism, they may soon regret the loss of financial support from a considerably weakened North American Methodism.

If any good comes out of this debacle in St. Louis, it may be the recognition of some basic realities.

First, no fundamentally helpful decisions will ever come out of any General Conference, no matter how much prayer precedes it. The General Conference is no longer a viable means of governing the church. Polls showed that the majority of North American United Methodists supported the One Church Plan. Many African and Asian delegates, who come from vital churches full of Holy Spirit-induced innovation, joined the conservatives in dictating to the North American United Methodists the boundaries of our mission and the scope of congregational formation. A big, no-holds-barred, winner-take-all political convention may work for a national political party. It’s a disaster for the body of Christ.

Second, over a couple of decades, people my age have constructed the Book of Discipline to serve the interests of our generation, albeit unknowingly. Adaptation or innovation in the general church have been rendered impossible. If there’s any good worth doing, there’s a rule to be passed to force you to do it. The way to come to a good decision is through endless meetings followed by coercive, will-to-power voting.

In this Special General Conference we have now declared ourselves to be the church of the aged. The average UM is white and 61 years old. Just like me, my church has got too much past and too little future. I fear that this will be remembered as the week that the UMC decisively, openly turned away from ministry with anyone under 40.

Finally, the Holy Spirit doesn’t work from the top down. The Spirit does good from the bottom up, through God’s hijinks in the local church. We Methodists may brag that we are “connectional” in organization and episcopal in polity. But, by God’s grace, this train wreck may give us the opportunity to rediscover the power of the local and congregational.

The question of LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage, insoluble at a corporate-style global gathering of 800 people, is more or less resolved in every congregation I know. The solution may not be one of which I approve, but in a way that somehow works in the present moment for that congregation, in the place where Christ has assembled them, they muddle through. They may still have great differences; they may have lost members because of their solution. There may be repeated, heated arguments. The pastor may be uneasy with and unsure how to lead their work in progress, but they have practiced forbearance because Jesus told them to. They have discovered the adventure of worshiping the Trinity with people with whom they disagree, because, like it or not, those are the folk whom the Lord has convened and made Methodist. They muddle through.

All pneumatology is local, gift of God from the bottom up. Now those of us who still love and linger in the UMC can fully give ourselves to that local task of muddling through. I told my seminarians, “If you are wondering why God Almighty would call somebody like you into the United Methodist ministry, here’s your answer. God is calling upon you for assistance to clean up what my generation has messed up.” By the grace of God we may rediscover the joy of working with a relentlessly redemptive God who can bring good even out of our mess at General Conference.


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To: cdcdawg; xzins; Gamecock; blue-duncan
“In the four decades I’ve been an ordained leader in the UMC, we have lost 30 percent of our membership. Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude.”

When you introduce wolves into the flock, should you be surprised when the sheep start to disappear? The church is commanded to keep out the wolves.

61 posted on 02/28/2019 12:37:15 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: P-Marlowe; cdcdawg; xzins; Gamecock

“Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude.”

It has been my sad experience in representing churches opting out of hierarchical denominations, that the denominations don’t really care since the assets of the churches belong to the denominations. They just sell the assets and fund the pensions of the “purple”.


62 posted on 02/28/2019 12:45:45 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; cdcdawg; xzins

Machen tried to fight off the liberals in the old PC US, didn’t work and the OPC was born. Only catch was they lost their grand old churches to the liberals.

Fast forward to the 1960s/70s and the PC US merged with the more conservative old Southern Presbyterians. The PCA was born out of that merger. PCA churches lost their buildings.

The PCA is set up so that the local congregation owns the building, not the denomination. I think that helps keep things in check.


63 posted on 02/28/2019 12:55:31 PM PST by Gamecock (In church today, we so often find we meet only the same old world, not Christ and His Kingdom. AS)
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To: blue-duncan; xzins; Gamecock

You would think that the title would go to the people who paid off the mortgage. To me when a denomination makes the congregation responsible for purchasing and maintaining the property, that the title should inure to the purchaser. I think I learned something like that in law school. But the brain cells that held that information back then have left the building.


64 posted on 02/28/2019 1:13:34 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: Gamecock; P-Marlowe; cdcdawg; xzins
I have found in negotiating for churches exiting the PCUSA that the PCUSA was more than willing to sell the buildings back to the congregations at a greatly reduced rate than the actual value of the buildings. they recognized that the congregations sacrificed for the location and wanted to have a continuing witness there even if they differed on social and some theological issues.

It was impossible to negotiate with the ECUSA. They would not even consider selling the buildings back to the exiting congregations. They did sell the buildings to Muslims and “Oneness” congregations, but not to evangelical Anglicans.

65 posted on 02/28/2019 1:17:07 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Gamecock
What a very peculiar missive from this disgruntled person. Suppressed anger comes out in weird ways sometimes.
66 posted on 02/28/2019 1:25:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: xzins
...a huge problem with mathematics and counting.

That is liberals' main problem, along with scale, proportion, and depth.

67 posted on 02/28/2019 1:51:59 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

2 Greeks and an Italian walk into a bar....


68 posted on 02/28/2019 3:11:36 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; cdcdawg; Gamecock
“In the four decades I’ve been an ordained leader in the UMC, we have lost 30 percent of our membership. Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude.” When you introduce wolves into the flock, should you be surprised when the sheep start to disappear? The church is commanded to keep out the wolves.

It's not liberals who were driven out. It was conservatives. They are everywhere. Had we kept our conservatives and their progeny, we'd be 20 million big or more.

69 posted on 02/28/2019 3:16:34 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Gamecock

This is a typical word salad I had come to expect from Methodist clergy before I departed lo these many years ago: not one mention of scripture, holiness, sin, redemption, repentance, salvation. Just a big political screed.

Then again, this guy is one of the UMC elites just decisively smacked down by the ordinary folks in the pews upon whom he sneers. And hallelujah for that.


70 posted on 02/28/2019 4:02:36 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
little in the 200-year tradition of American Methodism justifies such punitive, exclusionary measures

Uh, he's off by a half century. Francis Asbury, Wesley's bishop, came to America from England in 1771 to start planting Methodist churches.

71 posted on 02/28/2019 4:07:10 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: Gamecock
In this Special General Conference we have now declared ourselves to be the church of the aged. The average UM is white and 61 years old. Just like me, my church has got too much past and too little future.

Affirming homosexuality is not a good strategy for producing the next generation of little Methodists.

72 posted on 02/28/2019 4:13:50 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Bishop_Malachi
when you blatantly include openly-practicing same-sex couples...especially in positions of leadership... you are not practicing Christianity. Sure, you practicing some new religion, and maybe it has the veneer of Christianity about it. But... you’ve departed significantly from original intent of Christian teaching.


But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
—2 Timothy 3:1-5

73 posted on 02/28/2019 4:17:21 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I can find churches near me that preach the gospel. And, they don't have bloated governances that do nothing but waste money and create stress.

Don't know where you live, but here's a start: the Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod (LCMS). Intelligent, reverent, scripturally-based, founded in the apostolic faith. (NOT the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America - ELCA.) Adjust the link to your zip code:

LCMS church locator

74 posted on 02/28/2019 4:29:32 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: olepap
I've had it with church

See post 74.

75 posted on 02/28/2019 4:34:20 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: xzins
He laments the traditionalists' newfound ability to organize votes on the floor of the conference

Bingo!

76 posted on 02/28/2019 4:44:34 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere." --Trump to Venezuelans, 2/18/19)
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To: Gamecock

There are a lot of gray areas in Scripture. That homosexual acts are sinful is not one of them. Don’t see how supposedly learned and/or Godly people can be confused about this.


77 posted on 02/28/2019 7:03:35 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks.... If I need it, I will


78 posted on 02/28/2019 7:11:06 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: blue-duncan

What gets me down, blue, is that I am 100% certain that 95% of the bishops on our side of the pond will refuse to enforce these new rules. I had truly been hoping for a split. To just finally get it over with.

My sense is that the denomination has opened the door for church departures meaning any attempt to stand on the “trust clause” is seriously weakened. Their vote says “trust clause be damned; being fair is more important.”

Could you use that to a departing church’s advantage?


79 posted on 03/01/2019 3:18:04 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Gamecock

The author does not get it. Methodists lost members because of the leftward course taken by the denomination.

As with the libs in ECUSA, denial of workings of the Holy Spirit unless the libs win. I think the Methodist faithful learned lessons from the Episcopalians and Presbyterians and know how to fight this mess.

It’s too bad the churches who would leave won’t get to keep their property. That may hold them in the denomination to continue the fight.


80 posted on 03/01/2019 3:26:41 AM PST by kalee
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