Posted on 02/28/2019 5:47:05 AM PST by Gamecock
Before the United Methodist Special General Conference opened on Saturday, we prayed. Perhaps God would miraculously grant a fruitful discussion among 800 disputants who have very little in common except our cross-and-flame nametags. We prayed for openness to different points of view, unity, communion, gracious listening, holy conferencing, empathetic feelings, and generosity of spirt.
It didnt work.
At some point I shifted my own prayers to, Lord, please melt the hardened hearts and smite everyone who intends to vote against the One Church Plan. This plan, recommended by the UMC bishops, aimed to give more discretion to local churches and annual conferences in LGBTQ inclusion, ministry, and mission. It was summarily trashed early in the voting; the rival Traditional Plan, which reaffirms the denominations prohibitions against same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy, was approved.
The Lord, as far as I could tell, had business elsewhere. In fairness to the Lord, months earlier nearly everybody had announced how they would vote on the questions before us. Many vowed that if the outcome was disagreeable to them, they would pack up their congregation and exit the UMC. Ever try to have a church meeting after half of the attendees announce, If this doesnt go our way, and maybe even if it does, were leaving?
Now it is the UMCs turn to experience the agony previously endured by the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Lutherans, though I fear that our interlocked, connectional polity will make our pain worse. We bishops believed in unity but couldnt figure out how to lead it. As we called for generosity and openness from the podium, Traditional Plan politicos were busy on the floor counting votes and making deals. The Traditional Plan carried the day but with a majority so slim that few could call it a victory. (Every pastor knows not to go into a building program with less than 60 percent of the vote.) Traditionalists and progressives did share one conviction: dont trust bishops.
The misnamed Traditional Planlittle in the 200-year tradition of American Methodism justifies such punitive, exclusionary measurespassed after being amended in a fruitless attempt to overcome its lack of constitutional validity. The traditionalists from the Wesleyan Covenant Association got to go back home proud of the way they had defended scriptural authority, eager to roll up their sleeves and go to work tearing asunder the church that produced them.
In the four decades Ive been an ordained leader in the UMC, we have lost 30 percent of our membership. Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude. From what I know of Jesus, I predict he will not deal graciously with the infidelity of this church born in John Wesleys exuberant, extroverted, Salvation for all! A chill overtook my once-warmed Wesleyan heart as convention delegates casually discussed the conditions for a gracious exit. Never had I heard schism so openly affirmed in a church meeting. My question for right-wing schismatics: Do you really think that your vote at General Conference can stop the Trinity from creating LGBTQ Christians and then recklessly sending them to lead Methodist churches?
What now for the UMC? There will be significant losses from LGBTQ Christians and their allies who have given up on the UMC, along with losses from those for whom the UMC will never be confined, closed, and conservative enough. Well be poorer for the loss of both conversation partners. As for those in the global church who participated in this smackdown of North American Methodist mission and evangelism, they may soon regret the loss of financial support from a considerably weakened North American Methodism.
If any good comes out of this debacle in St. Louis, it may be the recognition of some basic realities.
First, no fundamentally helpful decisions will ever come out of any General Conference, no matter how much prayer precedes it. The General Conference is no longer a viable means of governing the church. Polls showed that the majority of North American United Methodists supported the One Church Plan. Many African and Asian delegates, who come from vital churches full of Holy Spirit-induced innovation, joined the conservatives in dictating to the North American United Methodists the boundaries of our mission and the scope of congregational formation. A big, no-holds-barred, winner-take-all political convention may work for a national political party. Its a disaster for the body of Christ.
Second, over a couple of decades, people my age have constructed the Book of Discipline to serve the interests of our generation, albeit unknowingly. Adaptation or innovation in the general church have been rendered impossible. If theres any good worth doing, theres a rule to be passed to force you to do it. The way to come to a good decision is through endless meetings followed by coercive, will-to-power voting.
In this Special General Conference we have now declared ourselves to be the church of the aged. The average UM is white and 61 years old. Just like me, my church has got too much past and too little future. I fear that this will be remembered as the week that the UMC decisively, openly turned away from ministry with anyone under 40.
Finally, the Holy Spirit doesnt work from the top down. The Spirit does good from the bottom up, through Gods hijinks in the local church. We Methodists may brag that we are connectional in organization and episcopal in polity. But, by Gods grace, this train wreck may give us the opportunity to rediscover the power of the local and congregational.
The question of LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage, insoluble at a corporate-style global gathering of 800 people, is more or less resolved in every congregation I know. The solution may not be one of which I approve, but in a way that somehow works in the present moment for that congregation, in the place where Christ has assembled them, they muddle through. They may still have great differences; they may have lost members because of their solution. There may be repeated, heated arguments. The pastor may be uneasy with and unsure how to lead their work in progress, but they have practiced forbearance because Jesus told them to. They have discovered the adventure of worshiping the Trinity with people with whom they disagree, because, like it or not, those are the folk whom the Lord has convened and made Methodist. They muddle through.
All pneumatology is local, gift of God from the bottom up. Now those of us who still love and linger in the UMC can fully give ourselves to that local task of muddling through. I told my seminarians, If you are wondering why God Almighty would call somebody like you into the United Methodist ministry, heres your answer. God is calling upon you for assistance to clean up what my generation has messed up. By the grace of God we may rediscover the joy of working with a relentlessly redemptive God who can bring good even out of our mess at General Conference.
Why is it only a mess when liberals don’t win?
The writer of this article is pretty soft on the whole LGBTQBLTABCEFG thing.
Seems to take a shot at conservatives at some points in the article.
What kind of “church” knowingly lets in LGBT?
Besides my Catholic church :)
“What now for the UMC? There will be significant losses from LGBTQ Christians and their allies who have given up on the UMC”
Maybe the church doesn’t bend its beliefs to suit pc agendas.
As for those in the global church who participated in this smackdown of North American Methodist mission and evangelism, they may soon regret the loss of financial support from a considerably weakened North American Methodism.
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In this Special General Conference we have now declared ourselves to be the church of the aged. The average UM is white and 61 years old.
So the African bishops push hard for the Traditional Plan but then the author comes back and claims the UMC is racist because it is the church of 61 year old men?
Um. No. You can't have it both ways.
This guy is acting like a modern day liberal, throwing all sorts of crap against the wall just to see what sticks.
I love the sound of a liberal, whining in the morning.
It sounds like Victory!
Traditionalists opposed to doctrines of demons. And theyre the bad guys?
This clown better get used to global warming. Where hes going its gonna be really warm.
Lots of pious prattle in the article; all the right “theological” words lined up in rows, but supportive of modern liberal revision, not traditional scriptural beliefs.
Hey Chaps, I was under the impression that William Willimon is sort of conservative.
I guess not?
Hey Chaps, I was under the impression that William Willimon is sort of conservative.
I guess not?
There is a division that is from the Lord, and a unity that is from the devil.
There is a unity that is of the Lord, and a division that is of the devil.
Unity itself has no holiness in and of itself - to make Unity the ultimate goal is to abandon God.
Light and darkness have nothing in common. To try to join them is impossible.
While there is forgiveness for every sin, sin itself is never condoned or embraced by our Lord Jesus.
After healing, Jesus often said, “Go and sin no more......”
little in the 200-year tradition of American Methodism justifies such punitive, exclusionary measures
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Nothing but the word of God..........
How does one detect a progressive Christian? (An oxymoron if ever there was one)
There is no standard they’ll not gladly abandon.
On another note, progressive physicists talk of “Maxwell’s Rumors”.
As best I can tell, nothing really changed. The same rules are still intact. This is nothing but the PTB getting the vapors and retiring to the fainting couches because they didn’t win.
LGBT folks will not leave the church. If they were going to leave the church, they would have done so before this vote. Their goal is to destroy the church, not reform it.
PCUSA lost ~300 churches when they finally passed the New World order.
“From what I know of Jesus, I predict he will not deal graciously with the infidelity of this church born in John Wesleys exuberant, extroverted, Salvation for all!
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe in the good news! - Jesus
“Ye must be born again To be born again, is to be inwardly changed from all sinfulness to all holiness. It is fitly so called, because as great a change then passes on the soul as passes on the body when it is born into the world.” - John Wesley
Salvation is OPEN to all, but not PROMISED to all.
Repent. A word too many forget is part of the Gospel.
In the four decades Ive been an ordained leader in the UMC, we have lost 30 percent of our membership. Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude.
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You’ve lost 30% of your membership because their really is no point to being a Methodist anymore. I’ve been to several Methodist services. It’s the same message: Basically God is too nice to condemn anyone. The whole “Salvation for All!” message comes so easily that no one has to really do much of anything. It’s not hard to infer that also includes coming to church. The final death knell is sounded when you blatantly include openly-practicing same-sex couples...especially in positions of leadership. At that point anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows you are not practicing Christianity. Sure, you practicing some new religion, and maybe it has the veneer of Christianity about it. But any serious investigation is going to conclude you’ve departed significantly from original intent of Christian teaching.
“In the four decades Ive been an ordained leader in the UMC, we have lost 30 percent of our membership. Our response? Spend millions of dollars and hours of work to decide who else we can exclude.”
I looked elsewhere because I couldn’t stand to listen to more Hippie Jesus, gun control, and acceptance of sodomites (and their behavior). I guess I’m part of that 30%.
How long can a church last with a congregation made up of gays and really old people who cannot even conceive of what those fellows were doing just a few hours before attending church? Unrepentant sinners are to be excluded.
This is what the author thinks that Jesus would do? (WWJS)Who Would Jesus Screw?
Liberals are evil in their hearts.
Why is it only a mess when liberals don’t win?
...What kind of church knowingly lets in LGBT?
All Christians, and we are called to repent
The greater error is to teach Sin as good, wise, or to be commended
Those who teach Evil as Good are under severe judgement
https://www.christianbiblereference.org/goodevil.htm
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