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To: daniel1212; TexasKamaAina
purgatory as clearly defined by the Church and affirmed in the books of the Bible is the final stage of sanctification in the blood of Christ. Purgatory is not a chance for saving yourself etc. The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The tradition of the Apostles, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come

This may not be what the Watchtower tells one too, but it is what Christ teaches us - that sin cannot stand in the presence of God and that God loves us all and that we are sanctified and purified in the blood of the Christ

32 posted on 01/25/2019 9:51:03 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come

1. The Bema Seat Judgement of the SAVED is a judgement of works alone. Scripture does not say it takes days, weeks, years or thousands of years. Nor does Scripture teach the person is suffering physically, but that his works are tested by fire and either burn up or survive, but the person himself will be saved, as though through fire.

2. There are no offenses that the Blood of Christ cannot cover - BEFORE death and never afterwards.

39 posted on 01/25/2019 10:13:51 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Cronos
purgatory as clearly defined by the Church and affirmed in the books of the Bible is the final stage of sanctification in the blood of Christ. Purgatory is not a chance for saving yourself etc

It is a type of salvation, as detailed, but just where did I present it as being a chance for saving yourself from Hell? Why resort to a straw man like as is typical of your mentors?

The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The tradition of the Apostles, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

You are simply pasting what you CCC says (1031) without attribution, and the extrapolation of RC Purgatory out of the principle of cleansing fire (such as with 1 Co. 3:8ff) is not Scriptural, but is specious. As has been shown and can be done again if you want.

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come

And which cannot be Purgatory, for as "Catholic Answers" will tell toy, "Purgatory Is Not for Forgiving of Sins." . Forgiveness for sins happens before death. All those who are in purgatory have had their sins forgiven. - https://www.google.com/search?q=are+sins+fiorgiven+inn+purgatiry&ie=UTF-8

Rather than Catholic contrivances, being "pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come" can only reconciled with what Scripture clearly teaches as regards the next life for believers is that of the literal visible reign of Christ in glory on earth with the risen saints for a thousand years, before the general resurrection and judgment, which Ezekiel spends so much time elaborating on.

This may not be what the Watchtower tells one too,

Like as is the case of faithful RCs, for Watchtower disciples Truth is only what their leadership says it is. Who, without repentance unto life, shall awake in Hell, to their eternal horror, having rejected "the great God and our [believers] Saviour Jesus Christ ." (Titus 2:13. KJV).

but it is what Christ teaches us - that sin cannot stand in the presence of God and that God loves us all and that we are sanctified and purified in the blood of the

Indeed, thus the believer presently has entrance into the holy of holies by the sinless shed blood of Christ, and with whom He will be at death or His return, whatever comes first. (Lk. 23:43 [cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7]; Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) Contrary to the compelled propaganda cultic believers.

52 posted on 01/25/2019 2:31:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Cronos
purgatory as clearly defined by the Church and affirmed in the books of the Bible is the final stage of sanctification in the blood of Christ.

Oh?


Promise #9 of the 15 given   to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche
 
 
 
 
 
 

I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.


I guess Christ's blood may be lacking in some material way; if this statement allegedly from Mary is true.

69 posted on 01/25/2019 2:57:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
Prove your lie: "purgatory as clearly defined by the Church and affirmed in the books of the Bible is the final stage of sanctification in the blood of Christ."

Citing / asserting satan's liars on earth, as in 'defined by the church' is quite telling of your lost state of spiritual confusion. PROVE the Bible affirms your religion's mythical purgatory. Then know that you have exposed your pride in a twisted way which so many cannot discern but those in Christ can discern.

76 posted on 01/25/2019 5:32:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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