Posted on 01/24/2019 6:32:20 PM PST by marshmallow
Is that (converting to Catholicism) a shocking, cutting edge thing to do in England?
And I don’t mind of Catholics convert to Protestants. I know my ancestors did.
I love to see Catholics come to saving faith in Christ.
... where they worship each week is between them and their Savior. He’ll let them know how to honor Him.
For Brits, yes, I think it is.
Some of my best friends are Catholic, or have been at some time of their lives.
Glory to God.
In another twenty to thirty years the CoE will essentially cease to exist in its recognizable form.
Gloria in Excelsis Deo.
Tell ya what: You (Anglicans) can have all our heretics, feminists, sodomites, pederasts, and other assorted wierdos ... we’ll take all your actual Christians.
Deal?
That is sad, but better to be honest. Either one feels the presence and the strength of The Spirit, or they don’t at that given moment of time.
Haha love it! I am well acquainted with an Anglican priest making his way!
Protestants are an umbrella term — it contains devout groups like the LCMS, Southern Baptist etc. and wack-a-doodle non-Christians like the ECUSA etc. Let’s not use the term “Protestant” anymore as the theology can be so wide.
Catholics come to Christ - we commune with Him in the Divine Liturgy as well as in other aspects in our lives.
As to another 20 to 30 years, yes you are correct.
“Catholics come to Christ - we commune with Him in the Divine Liturgy as well as in other aspects in our lives.”
I meant I’d like to see Catholics come to saving faith in Christ. That they would entrust themselves to Him alone for salvation, and not useless works or rituals, or a church.
That they would have their eyes open to what it means that He and His sacrifice was enough.
That they might have assurance of salvation, and understand what it means to know Him.
Salvation as taught by the Church comes from Christ's sacrifice.
God's Grace saves us, we cannot save ourselves. THAT is Church teaching.
Grace is not just God's loving kindness, favor or mercy, but God’s divine life itself, which enables the work of Christ to flow through us. Through Adam, we have been dis-graced and separated from God, and in Christ, we are restored to grace and reconciled to God. Through grace people can become new creations, "partakers of the divine nature."[2 Pet. 1:4]
from The Church point of view, Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross was super-sufficient for our salvation. Salvation comes from Christ’s sacrifice. We cannot save ourselves — our works cannot provide us salvation, not one bit, not a little bit — and that is Church teaching.
A Catholic is not saved by any means other than the Grace of God, in the name of Jesus, His Son who lived, died and rose for our sins to be forgiven thus opening the gates of heaven.
Not ONE Catholic believes that Faith and works gives us salvation. That is utterly wrong and if anyone within or outside the Church has such opinions they should be told it is anathema.
The Council of Trent states: "We are said to be justified by grace because nothing that precedes justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification. For 'if it is by grace, it is no longer by works; otherwise,' as the apostle says, 'grace is no more grace' [Rom. 11:6]" (Decree on Justification 8).
In fact, the Council of Trent condemned anyone who taught that we can save ourselves or who taught even that God helps (not leads) us do what we could do for ourselves. God does it all -- all the saving, the salvation is from Christ's sacrifice on the Cross
Finally, you can read a papal encyclical that clearly states
4. In my first encyclical, in which I set forth the program of my Pontificate, I said that "the Church's fundamental function in every age, and particularly in ours, is to direct man's gaze, to point the awareness and experience of the whole of humanity toward the mystery of Christ."4If one actually READ Galatians instead of parroting mindlessly after one's handlers, one would see that the 'works' referred to by Paul are, ta-da works of the law, given to Abraham -- Paul is very clear on that. INDEED, all of Galatians , in Chapter 4 goes on about "servituded to the law" OF Abraham, the Mosaic code which is the "works" that Paul refers to.
The Church's universal mission is born of faith in Jesus Christ, as is stated in our Trinitarian profession of faith: "I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father.... For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man."5 The redemption event brings salvation to all, "for each one is included in the mystery of the redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery."6 It is only in faith that the Church's mission can be understood and only in faith that it finds its basis.
5. If we go back to the beginnings of the Church, we find a clear affirmation that Christ is the one Savior of all, the only one able to reveal God and lead to God. In reply to the Jewish religious authorities who question the apostles about the healing of the lame man, Peter says: "By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.... And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:10, 12). This statement, which was made to the Sanhedrin, has a universal value, since for all people-Jews and Gentiles alike - salvation can only come from Jesus Christ.
Salvation as taught by the Church comes from Christ's sacrifice. Peter says: "By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.... And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:10, 12). This statement, which was made to the Sanhedrin, has a universal value, since for all people-Jews and Gentiles alike - salvation can only come from Jesus Christ.
Works as evidence of faith, just as James says.
That is a Catholic understanding, not that the fruits gain salvation, but faith in Jesus, that compels one to do works that honor and glorify Him, out of love of Him and neighbor
You make it very clear, but you know well that many on this forum will ignore it.
“Not ONE Catholic believes that Faith and works gives us salvation. That is utterly wrong and if anyone within or outside the Church has such opinions they should be told it is anathema.”
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I was Catholic. I know what is taught and believed.
I came to saving faith in Christ in college, after I took time to read what God says in Scripture.
I’ve talked with scores if not hundreds of Roman Catholics who believe Christ’s sacrifice plus the church rituals plus their good works will be weighed to determine if they go to heaven.
Of course, this is false. Salvation is in Christ alone, and not the Roman Catholic Church.
But it is believed and taught.
So, if you do not believe that, are you saved now?
Do you have assurance that you have salvation now?
If not, why?
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