[daniel1212]

Because post 290 reads: "for not only does "suffer loss" means "loss" in the majority of cases, " which is not the case; half of the cases are for loss of one's soul, and spoken by the Messiah Himself. None of the other cases are about loss of rewards, and this case does not read "loss of reward" but rather "he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." It is established that the "gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble" are works, and that every man will be judged according to his works, those things done in his body, whether good or bad. Therefore, the loss is not rewards (there is no reword for bad works, only punishment), but it could be punishment for unacceptable works (wood, hay stubble). Yet he is saved, yet as by fire.

This is still absurd as before for besides other things which do not correspond to Purgatory, the context does indeed show that the "loss" is opposite of what is gained, what is received, which is rewards: "If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss : but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:14-15. KJV)

And the context is not about personal purity - though the manner of fruit: combustible vs. non-combustible - attests to the character of the builder - but the manner of workmanship one built the church with:

Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. (1 Corinthians 3:8. KJV) .

Thus while the combustible building material represented here as wood, hay or stubble being burned up means a loss of rewards to the builder, the precious stones gain rewards for the instruments of their faithfulness. Thus Paul says to the Thessalonians, "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming ? " (1 Thess. 2:19; cf. Rv. 3:11) And to the Corinthians, “we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus .” 2Cor. 1:14) And to the Philippians, that being “my joy and crown , so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.” (Phil. 4:1)

Thus the combustible works one builds the church are indeed burnt up, but the loss is a consequence of that, while one is saved despite this loss - which will mean a grievous suffering of the Lord's disapproval - but not because of the loss.

And which are only some of the obstacles you have in your wresting attempt to read Purgatory into this text, which is untenable even by the very fact that it awaits the 2nd coming of Christ, (1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) while all believer go to be forever with the Lord at death His coming. (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17)

Which simply leaves you desperately grasping at some aspect of 1 Co. 3 to support your tradition, rather than admitting as even your own NAB not do, that this is not speaking of it.

And which means you are unnecessarily taking up more of my time, perhaps on purpose. If you can get another RC here to take up your argument on 1 Cor. 3 then I will engage them, otherwise this exchange needs to end. Which can save you and your church (since such specious apologetics are a fruit of it) from even more embarrassment..

[af_vet_1981]

1. Except if one does not obtain that reward, one has not lost anything (that one never had). The reward was never his to lose because he had not met the terms of the reward. "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward." In Corinthians, the one saved as by fire did not meet the terms because his works did not "abide" (remain, continue).
   
   
2. Although "loss of reward" is not in Paul's text there, it is found in the Gospel here. it uses different Greek root word for "lost" and the same word for "reward." The context is behavior towards others (sounds similar to the Parable of the Sheep and Goats).
   
   He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
   
   Matthew, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verses forty one to forty two,
   as authorized, but not authored, by King James
   
   
3. The "loss" for one saved by fire does not fit this pattern, uses a different Greek word (which means lose one's soul every time when used by the Messiah. In the Apostle's case, it seems to me, he specifically added "but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" so that the text not be miscontrued as losing one's soul, yet he did not add "suffer loss of reward."