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"You keep ASKING this but yet you continue to fail to produce just what it is that 'the Scribes and Pharisees bid you to observe and do'."

That direct instruction from Jesus Christ (God) there in Matthew 23:2-3, to "observe and do" something, is given in that same discourse where Jesus says "Call no man father" (Matthew 23:9), so, shouldn't you be taking that other statement quite seriously too? Given the importance of the words of Jesus, are you saying here that you want me to go do all the research for you, Elsie, to find out what the Scribes and Pharisees bid people to observe and do? Do you also want me to then go on Amazon, and buy all those books explaining all that stuff for you, and then, do you want me to read all those books to you too, Elsie?

(How about a pizza -- do you want me to also go get you a pizza, then do you want me to eat that pizza for you too, Elsie?) :-)

(By the way, you still haven't answered my repeated questions (shown here in my post #88), so one thing I WILL do for you, Elsie, is this: I WILL go ahead and answer those questions for you, honestly, and gratuitously.)

To set those questions up, let's first establish the answer to this first one.

Many years after Jesus issued his instruction to "Call no man 'father'", did the Apostle Paul really call Abraham (a man) "father" of all believers in Romans 4:11-12?
The answer is: YES, THE APOSTLE PAUL DID CALL A MAN "FATHER" IN ROMANS 4:11-12!

"And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised." Romans 4:11-12 (KJV)

Was the Apostle Paul disobeying Jesus when he called a man "father" in Romans 4:11-12? The answer is: NO!

Was the Apostle Paul doing something wrong when he called a man "father" in Romans 4:11-12? The answer is: NO!

Was the Holy Spirit (God) contradicting Jesus Christ (God) when the Holy Spirit inspired the Apostle Paul to call a man "father" in Romans 4:11-12? The answer is: NO!

Was the Holy Spirit inspiring the Apostle Paul to do something wrong when the Holy Spirit inspired the Apostle Paul to call a man "father" in Romans 4:11-12? The answer is: NO!

The reason those answers are all "NO!", is because Jesus did not mean "Call no man father" literally, but was using hyperbole (such as he often did when speaking, in order to make his points more forcefully), like when he told them to pluck their eyes out, or the time he told them that his disciples had to hate their fathers, mothers, wives, children, brothers, sisters, and even their own lives!

"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." Matthew 5:29 (KJV)

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26 (KJV)

(By the way, think about this: How could an "offense of the eyes" cause a person to be cast into hell -- like Jesus said there -- if they were "once saved, always saved"? Was Jesus confused?)

I love to see you trashing around in inches deep water while hollering, "I'm DROWNING!!!"

(By the way, you still haven't answered my repeated questions ….

I'll let any amused lurkers look back in the thread and check for any questions put to you that you've not answered.

Try to place the teaching from Jesus nto the context of before the Cross or after The Cross. Big hnt: Did any Hebrew/ Israelite gain salvation b keepng the law their entire life?