Don’t Be a Liar

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-03-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[MHGinTN]

Your Catholic file must be larger than the Mormon one by now.

[Elsie]

And if you see that, then you agree with us far more than with Luther.

Looks like it's time to play defense again.

I; for one; do NOT 'agree with Luther'.

What I agree with is clear division of the Word of GOD.

If Luther happens to agree with ME; then more power to him!

[Elsie]

I really don’t understand how protestants don’t believe the Letter of James.

 

You  GOTTA be kidding me!!!

 

Call no man father...

[Elsie]

LOVE your tagline!

[Elsie]

BTW...there is no “SINNING IS OKAY” brigade on Free Republic.

 

 

There is; however; folks who are 100% in agreement with...

 

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

[Elsie]

Seems to me that if you weren’t doing good, you wouldn’t be the target of all these sickening attacks.

Golly!

I've missed those!!

[Elsie]

Stupidity and malice are nauseating.

HMMMmmm…

I think we ALL long for the Good Ole Days!

[Elsie]

... while they’re dreaming up ways to demean others in an attempt to make themselves look better, …

Sometimes this stuff just writes itself!

[Elsie]

To anyone reading this thread who is NOT bigoted...

HMMMmmm...

[Elsie]

IS your YOPIOS kicking in? Your Own Personal Interpretation of Scripture?

 

 

Do you NOT believe Saint Paul??

 

2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

[af_vet_1981]

“The Protestant tradition erred in dividing faith and works. In the 16th century, Protestants claimed that we are saved by “faith alone.” Faith is never alone. It always brings effects with it.”

That isn’t the case. ...

Is that an indication of a general acceptance by Protestants that one is not saved by "faith alone." ?
or is that a personal point of view ?

[Elsie]

Your Catholic file must be larger than the Mormon one by now.

I have ~600 separate replies stored away.

I do not know how many of which type are in the folder.

There are some Evolution, Abortion, and, if you can believe it, some political ones mixed in there as well.

To those I offend when re-posting them; they must think that they are from my Boilerplate Spam folder; but it's true name is 1MORMON.

It used to be just MORMON, but I stuck the "1" on it to make it float to the top of the list.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[Luircin]

Is that an indication of a general acceptance by Protestants that one is not saved by “faith alone.” ?
or is that a personal point of view ?

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And once again, you don’t even bother to ascertain what Protestants believe and instead start attacking your fake Roman strawmen.

Sad.

The truth of the matter is that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone, but saving faith always produces works.

But if Roman Catholics would ever admit that’s what Protestants believe, they’d lose one of their favorite talking points.

[Luircin]

Dude, I KNOW you’ve never read Luther at ALL with that comment.

Perhaps you should read Luther’s own words on the subject of faith and works instead of attacking a strawman. Because your statement is exactly what Luther taught and preached.

On the other hand, Catholicism in its own catechism insists that you have to earn salvation by works and you can only get started with ‘adoption by grace.’

It seems that your beliefs are more Lutheran than Catholic.

[MayflowerMadam]

“How can this be a Catholic Caucus?”

I was informed several weeks ago by a fellow FReeper and/or a moderator that any Catholic Caucus will have those words in the title.

[boatbums]

St. John Damascene also says, "that to serve Mary and be Her courtier is the greatest honor we can possibly possess; for to serve the Queen of Heaven is already to reign there, and live under Her commands is more than to govern."25 On the other hand, he adds, "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."

I wonder how many of our Roman Catholic friends will disagree with this statement? I honor Mary and respect her place in the salvation of mankind, but I do not "serve" her. Instead, I serve only God as Jesus rebuked Satan, "For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.' (Matt. 4:10). I am saved through faith in Jesus Christ because of the grace of God. Mary was saved the same way.

[boatbums]

What a condescending comment. What’s so bad about believing what the Bible actually says instead of believing Roman dogma that is the opposite of what the Bible actually says on all the most important points?

I mean it's not as if the Bible is written in some kind of secret code or something. Words in context mean what they say and Scripture interprets Scripture. Believers have the added benefit of the indwelling Holy Spirit who will lead us into ALL truth. The funny thing is Catholics ALSO rely on their own personal interpretation of Scripture as well as their Catechism. How ELSE does anyone read and comprehend what they are reading?

[boatbums]

Good old James! For what would we be arguing about if he hadn't penned: "Faith without works is dead."?

Isn't it curious what a loaded word "dead" is there? For some people, a "dead faith" means a faith that is unproductive. Others read that and automatically think "dead" means YOU'RE going to hell! Still others see "dead" as meaning a false faith, or a disingenuous faith, a head knowledge instead of a heart knowledge. Good Biblical hermeneutics say that you don't read a verse in isolation nor should only a snippet of one be used to base a whole doctrine upon.

Probably the most telling is how much importance works-based salvation religions place on that one passage while they ignore the myriad others that clearly teach we are NOT saved by our works. It's no wonder some early church leaders doubted the authenticity of James - they didn't fully understand its point. Genuine, soul-saving faith WILL be marked by an intrinsically changed life - how could it not?! But these good, holy actions/works are not what merits salvation they are only the outward evidence of our faith and God's working within our lives. Man looks upon the outward appearance. God looks upon the heart.

[Mark17]

Nothing in His a Word ever forbids personal interpretation of a Scripture.

YOPIOS is a beautiful thing. Everyone should try it. 👍