Don’t Be a Liar

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-03-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[daniel1212]

Forgot to ping you to 239.

[metmom]

Ouch......

[metmom]

Thanks.

I saw it.

How’s the weather where you’ve been?

My son in NH said they got nailed Monday night/Tues morning.

We got ice and I had to spend 15 mins hacking my car out6 of it’s icy shell.

There were winter storm watches and warnings up all day all over the northeast.

We got it.

[Mark17]

We got ice and I had to spend 15 mins hacking my car out6 of it’s icy shell.

Hmmmm. OK. I think I will go to the beach today. 👍😁
Ain’t life grand? 🤗

[daniel1212]

Thanks. I saw it. How’s the weather where you’ve been? My son in NH said they got nailed Monday night/Tues morning. We got ice and I had to spend 15 mins hacking my car out6 of it’s icy shell. There were winter storm watches and warnings up all day all over the northeast. We got it.

No storm here - just a dusting this AM, and sun and clouds prdtcd for at least a week, which means cold: single digits for 3 nights this week. But overdue.

[mitch5501]

No worries mate!

I've known young melsec for 40 years now...twas he who relentlessly witnessed to me about Jesus and well here we are!

[af_vet_1981]

af_vet_1981, that is simply a false dichotomy, trying to say it is not a denial of faith because of behavior, for faith is manifest by what is does, and thus Paul does indeed say such have denied the faith in the light of their behavior. Just what do you think is behind every thing you voluntarily do? It is what you really believe, at the very least at the moment of choice.

We were discussing "denial of the faith, not denial of faith. Of course, if we switch to the latter, anything not of faith is sin, and in all cases disciples who do not watch and have their house broken into have sinned. They disobeyed the command to watch (their behavior).

Read the passage again. There are three degrees of punishment for bad behavior in disciples, from the worst to least:
1. to be cut him in two, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers (weeping and gnashing of teeth), for the disciple who harmed other disciples (fellow servants).
2. to be beaten with many stripes (this was for the disciple who knew the LORD's will and did not obey)
3. to be beaten with few stripes (this was for the disciple who did not know the LORD's will and did not obey)

This was the Messiah's teaching to the little flock to whom their Father desires to give the kingdom. The Messiah did not label any of these as a denial of the faith (one could switch to another passage and bring up Peter's denial, which would still make the same point that it was behavior based). The disciple who did not watch and had his house broken into generalizes the three. When Peter asked if this teaching was just for them (leadership) or for all, The Messiah spoke of the disciple He would make ruler over His household.

In the Apostle Paul's case of one who does not provide for his own having denied "the faith", the punishment is excommunication (with an implied thread of much worse to come). Thus, there is a strong correlation with this example and the severe example in the Messiah's teaching. It makes sense to link those cases, but not the other two. In this severe case, the commandment being broken is the Second Greatest Commandment (from Leviticus and the Gospels), and perhaps others.

[af_vet_1981]

" Do you mean like the sons and daughters of Catholic parents who do not do practice works of charity and respect for them in their old age because they hate Catholicism ?"

Indeed, as well as parents who rather disown their kids who become born again. But is is your desperate ad hominem that is more the strawman. Just how much evangelical preaching do you listen to, versus RC propaganda?

"Indeed" sounds right. How is this desperate or an ad hominem? Evangelical or Catholic, if one preaches one thing and does another how is it desperate or an ad hominem to shine the light of truth on the behavior?

Abuse happens in both cases, and woe unto them who abuse the LORD's servants or do not provide for their own.

[af_vet_1981]

We are describing your posting program as “random generated Scriptures” because they rarely come close to what is being discussed.

False; you described it as an AI program that controls the posts in the account that bears the screen name: if a witness's testimony is not credible about earthly things, neither will it be trusted with spiritual things.

The AI program that controls the posts in the account that bears your screen name is generating Scripture randomly - never accurately, and usually out of context.

The only conclusion that seems logical is that these passages are being generated randomly and perhaps this software should be adjusted.

209 posted on 1/9/2019, 10:09:06 PM by aMorePerfectUnion

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Even though I don’t agree with what you posted - I do certainly wish you the best and I absolutely wish you salvation - and the assurance of salvation.

Have a good night.

[af_vet_1981]

Even though I don’t agree with what you posted

It is probably a good sign that you don't agree with it.

It was your own post.

[melsec]

Mark I have a hide as thick as a tortoise shell! There is no way a brother could offend me! Keep suffering - I love it!

[melsec]

I dont know how relentless I was - it was God who let that booklet sling off my dashboard and onto your lap. Praise Him in His mercy and love.I dont know why but thinking about that just brought me to tears

[melsec]

TBH its probably because I wont have made it this far without you and God knew that!

[daniel1212]

"Indeed" sounds right. How is this desperate or an ad hominem? Evangelical or Catholic, if one preaches one thing and does another how is it desperate or an ad hominem to shine the light of truth on the behavior?

Because it is akin to a liberal invoking Westboro Baptist in an argument against homosexuality. What sons and daughters of Catholic parents are even neglecting them their old age because they hate Catholicism? Meanwhile it is your church which officially consigns the likes of me to Hell fire.

[daniel1212]

Thus, there is a strong correlation with this example and the severe example in the Messiah's teaching. It makes sense to link those cases, but not the other two. In this severe case, the commandment being broken is the Second Greatest Commandment (from Leviticus and the Gospels), and perhaps others.

Excuse me, but do you have an actual argument with all this? Denying faith as well as denying the faith both have negative consequences, but if you are trying to support for wrest RC purgatory out of this then it is simply eisegesis.

[Songcraft]

"Try to place the teaching from Jesus nto the context of before the Cross or after The Cross. Big hnt: Did any Hebrew/ Israelite gain salvation b keepng the law their entire life?

Of course, you and I don't know which people are saved, and which aren't, or exactly what kind of law-breaking any person or group of people are guilty of, or not guilty of.   (Only God knows those things.)   However, in that biblical passage, Jesus, of course, wasn't talking about them keeping the law their entire life.   He's obviously referring there to someone who has already sinned (because he was specifically addressing those whose "eyes had already offended them"), and he was telling them to radically get rid of their "offending eye".   What, exactly, is your interpretation of Jesus essentially saying there in Matthew 5:29 (as I see it), that they should stop their "eye-related offenses" (by, figuratively, "pulling their sinful eye out"), in order to avoid hell?   Do you believe it is possible for a person to keep God's law going forward, with the help of the grace of God?   Do you believe it is possible to reduce temptations in your life, by avoiding activities or places (eye-related, or otherwise) that you know to be tempting to you?

[Songcraft]

Don't worry, Elsie, I already went ahead and answered all those questions I repeatedly gave you, in my post 204.   (And my answers to those questions in post 204 are all 100% true.)   (From your peculiar responses, it often appears that you don't like hearing the truth very much, do you Elsie?   Do you know who "The Truth" is?)

[Songcraft]

Oh...I thought when you said in post 162 that you are "quite willing to play the part of Balaam's ride", that you meant the biblical Balaam's ride.   I didn't know you meant you wanted to play the part of a radio show.   My mistake.