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To: unlearner; ebb tide

Catholics don’t care if the Pope is a heretic or apostate? What planet was the commenter on? First ebb tide has been criticized for “attacking” the Pope in her posts and now she (and all other Catholics) are criticized for not caring that he is a heretic. Which is it, people?

More proof that lurkers on the Catholic caucuses do not really read what people are writing or thinking. Freeper Catholics think that the Pope is a heretic. A very dangerous one, too.

But that doesn’t mean we leave the Church like silly, frightened sheep. Not after 2,000 years we don’t.


117 posted on 08/04/2018 3:05:19 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Not after 2,000 years we don’t.

WOW. You're that old?

119 posted on 08/04/2018 3:16:35 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: miss marmelstein

“Catholics don’t care if the Pope is a heretic or apostate?”

I can’t speak for others, but I took this comment to mean that most don’t let it worry them, rather than not caring at all.

“Freeper Catholics think that the Pope is a heretic. A very dangerous one, too.”

Without reading the Caucus posts except for what I see in the headlines and on the main page, I was starting to gather that. However, I did not realize it was possible to hold that view and be Catholic.

“But that doesn’t mean we leave the Church like silly, frightened sheep. Not after 2,000 years we don’t.”

Protestants do not see the Reformation as “leaving the Church” because Protestants consider that the people themselves are the Church. So, in essence, it is impossible to leave. But this definition refers to the Invisible Church.

That being said, is the Catholic remedy to this to speak out and wait until the current Pope is replaced? I’m just a bit confused with how these apparently contradictory views can be held. Again, I’m not intending to be argumentative. Am I correct in my understanding that you believe in Apostolic succession, but that it is also possible for even a Pope who was ordained by God to be Pope to turn out to be a heretic? Or would that mean that the officially recognized Pope is not the true Pope, but the true Pope is someone else, perhaps somewhere in hiding?

And is there ever a point at which corruption on the inside of the Visible Church or its leaders would warrant, in your mind, the type of Reformation that started the Protestant movement? Or is the remedy always within the hierarchical organization of the Visible Church? I may be asking these question in a wrong way or misusing the terminology, but hopefully you can follow what I’m getting at.

And regardless of the means by which the Pope’s errors are addressed, how likely is it that the Catholic Church as a whole could change its official public stance on abortion and homosexuality? I’ve always assumed that these were things that could never change.


129 posted on 08/04/2018 4:16:44 PM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: miss marmelstein
First ebb tide has been criticized for “attacking” the Pope in her posts and now she (and all other Catholics) are criticized for not caring that he is a heretic.

Et is a SHE??

And I thought MY gender was confusing to some because of my screen name!

192 posted on 08/05/2018 5:01:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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