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At the name of Jesus
OSV.com ^ | 06-10-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/23/2018 7:48:28 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: ealgeone
Sorry....not Scott Hahn.....Tim Staples. My error.

Who’s Tim Staples?

541 posted on 07/02/2018 6:22:58 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: metmom

Nobody focuses on the minors like Catholicism.

Ya THINK???!!!

http://www.usccb.org/about/divine-worship/liturgical-calendar/upload/2018cal.pdf


542 posted on 07/02/2018 6:24:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Al Hitan; metmom
Translation: "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."

Uh ho.....sounds like someone didn't read the passages below.

10Then Jesus said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’” Matthew 4:10 NASB

9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” Romans 10:9-13 NASB

31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; 34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Romans 8:31-35 NASB

Amazing that Paul, in writing Romans which is probably one of the most theological of all the NT books, somehow failed to mention what was posted above.

543 posted on 07/02/2018 6:29:22 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Jesus never said anything about an image on a coin being idolatry

Oh, so the whole thing about graven images is not to worship them as a god? You mean like in this:

“I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any strange gods before Me.”

544 posted on 07/02/2018 6:30:16 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan
I posted this in a reply to you. Are you not reading:

Hahn and Staples are both Roman Catholic apologists.

545 posted on 07/02/2018 6:30:43 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Al Hitan; metmom; Elsie
To use your coin example, Jesus and the disciples would be guilty as they used coins....remember the part about render under to Caesar.

Not to say the entire Roman Catholic church would be guilty when they were collecting coins for indulgences.

You should quit while you're behind.

546 posted on 07/02/2018 6:34:35 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Elsie

I just mean that there’s no difference in the status of the OT and NT believers; they’re waiting for the Second Coming and the resurrection of all the dead.

The sacrifice of Christ could have had an effect even before it happened, thus affecting the Old Testament believers who were looking forward to it. Because the Lord created time, he is not bound to it like we are. So effect could well come before cause in this case.

That’s getting kind of philosophical and speculative of course.


547 posted on 07/02/2018 6:34:51 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: ealgeone
No. Because coins are not graven images.

They’re engraved with images. Why do you say they’re not graven images?

548 posted on 07/02/2018 6:36:24 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: ealgeone

If I remember history correctly, Roman coins were a point of serious contention between Rome and the Jewish religious leaders, because the face side proclaimed Caesar to be a god.

And it was a complaint of the Pharisees and Sadducees anyways.

Not exactly the same as today.


549 posted on 07/02/2018 6:37:10 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Al Hitan; ealgeone

If we were to use that argument, then the Ark of the Covenant would be a violation of the commandment.


550 posted on 07/02/2018 6:38:19 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: ealgeone
I posted this in a reply to you. Are you not reading: Hahn and Staples are both Roman Catholic apologists.

Yes, I’m reading. I responded to your written post. Could you maybe get the idea I was asking for more information than you provided?

551 posted on 07/02/2018 6:40:47 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Luircin
If we were to use that argument, then the Ark of the Covenant would be a violation of the commandment

Exactly. You’re on track.

552 posted on 07/02/2018 6:43:12 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: ealgeone
To use your coin example, Jesus and the disciples would be guilty as they used coins....remember the part about render under to Caesar.

But they weren’t guilty. Why not?

553 posted on 07/02/2018 6:46:41 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan; ealgeone; Luircin

Jesus didn’t say anything about the image on the coin breaking the second commandment nor did He tell the pharisees to not use coins because the image was on them.

Additionally, while Catholics focus all the attention on the weak arguement that any image is a violation of the second commandment, they totally ignore the part of the commandment where we are commanded to not BOW DOWN to the image.

And that where Catholics lose big time.

There are more than anough pictures of Catholics, all the way up to and including the pope, bowing down to their graven images of Mary.


554 posted on 07/02/2018 6:46:43 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Al Hitan
To use your example Jesus, who advocated paying to Caesar the taxes due to him, would be guilty of violating the commandment against graven images.

That would make Him a sinner.

And we know based on the Word that is not the case.

I see you identify on the Egypt message board....are you Muslim?

555 posted on 07/02/2018 6:49:01 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Additionally, while Catholics focus all the attention on the weak arguement that any image is a violation of the second commandment

You’ve missed the point, once again. Why are not all images a violation of the commandment?

556 posted on 07/02/2018 6:49:31 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: metmom
Additionally, while Catholics focus all the attention on the weak arguement that any image is a violation of the second commandment

You’ve missed the point, once again. Why are not all images a violation of the commandment?

557 posted on 07/02/2018 6:49:31 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan
Unfortunately, you are off track with your appeals.
558 posted on 07/02/2018 6:50:08 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

No.


559 posted on 07/02/2018 6:50:45 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan
You’ve missed the point, once again. Why are not all images a violation of the commandment?

Read, or re-read the commandment. Your answer is there.

560 posted on 07/02/2018 6:51:02 AM PDT by ealgeone
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