well....that’s what happens when you’re late to the party, you don’t know the basis of the discussion and then jump to ridiculous charges.
In post #24 I wrote:
Scripture was defined and compiled via tradition.
Christ never told his disciples to write anything, he told them to preach.
Scripture was defined and compiled via tradition.
Christ never told his disciples to write anything, he told them to preach.
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Now that’s funny.
The word ‘canon’ comes from a measure, or a rule with which to measure against something else.
If you say that Scripture was compiled according to ‘tradition,’ that means that they only put things into it that matched what they had been taught: IE, canon.
And now you’re getting upset at us that we’re using this measure to test Rome’s theology, and Rome’s theology is coming up so painfully short that you have to argue AGAINST the Scripture that YOU claimed that they assembled.
You skipped over my post. A letter is in written form, and Peter tells us through the Spirit that Paul’s letters are Scripture. Surely you don’t elevate the epistles of Paul above the Gospels?
2 Peter 3:15-17
15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,
And you were exposed as wrong! Yet in your pride you insist you have not erred. JESUS speaks directly to John to write. In the greek it is a command, not a suggestion.
IF that is so; why did the Catholic Church ever compile those various dusty writings into a book?
“well....that’s what happens when you’re late to the party, you don’t know the basis of the discussion and then jump to ridiculous charges.”
That isn’t the case, though, because I did read your post #24 before I commented on this question. Before commenting at all on this question, I followed back and read again all the comments you and others made on this particular question. I actually read all the comments for this article up through yesterday.
Now again, I wrote this:
“And what is the point to your claim about New Testament Scripture? Are you saying you don’t believe it’s legitimately God’s Word?”
And I ask those questions again, because your claim that Jesus never instructed His disciples to write Scripture is one thing, but then it raises a much larger question of how you regard Scripture. Do you believe Matthew and John wrote their Gospels against Christ’s will?
And again, you can say that nowhere in Scripture did Jesus instruct His disciples to write, other than in Revelation, because whether it was Jesus or His angel, it was absolutely His direction, but you can’t claim to know all that went on that isn’t recorded in Scripture, so you can’t rightfully claim that Jesus never instructed His disciples to write anything.
Scripture was defined and compiled via tradition.
Christ never told his disciples to write anything, he told them to preach.
And here’s why I didn’t reply directly to 24 — there’s a gaping hole in it that I wasn’t going to take time to address, but since you brought it up, I will. You say Scripture was basically judged to be Scripture by “tradition,” and that’s after the fact, and you make your claim about Jesus and the disciples, but in all that you don’t address how Scripture got to be written in the first place.
And regarding what you say about tradition, all the world has traditions. All the religions of the world have them, countries and peoples can have them.
But what only the Christian faith has is God’s Holy Spirit. He directed the writing of Scripture, the recognition that it was God’s Word, the preserving of it, and the discerning of what’s Scripture and what isn’t.
There are many atheists who would say that The Last Temptation of Christ or Jesus Christ Superstar are as inspired by God as a sermon delivered by a born-again Christian and even the Bible itself, if not more so. That’s because they don’t have the Holy Spirit to be able to discern what’s of God and what’s not.