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...A Concern for the Protestant “Solos”: Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 06-07-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/08/2018 8:54:57 AM PDT by Salvation

Beware the “Soloists” - A Concern for the Protestant “Solos”: Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia

June 7, 2018

There are a lot of “solos” sung by our Protestant brethren: sola fide (saved by faith alone), sola Scriptura (Scripture alone is the rule of faith), and sola gratia (grace alone). Generally, one ought to be leery of claims that things work “alone.” Typically, many things work together in harmony; things are interrelated. Very seldom is anyone or anything really “alone.”

The problem with “solos” emerges (it seems to me) in our mind, where it is possible to separate things out; but just because we can separate something out in our mind does not mean that we can do so in reality.

Consider, for a moment, a candle’s flame. In my mind, I can separate the heat of the flame from its light, but I could never put a knife into the flame and put the heat of the flame on one side of it and the light on the other. In reality, the heat and light are inseparable—so together as to be one.

I would like to argue that it is the same with things like faith and works, grace and transformation, Scripture and the Church. We can separate all these things out in our mind, but in reality, they are one. Attempting to separate them from what they belong to leads to grave distortions and to the thing in question no longer being what it is claimed to be. Rather, it becomes an abstraction that exists only on a blackboard or in the mind of a theologian.

Let’s look at the three main “solos” of Protestant theology. I am aware that there are non-Catholic readers of this blog, so please understand that my objections are made with respect. I am also aware that in a short blog I may oversimplify, and thus I welcome additions, clarifications, etc. in the comments section.

Solo 1: Faith alone (sola fide)For 400 years, Catholics and Protestants have debated the question of faith and works. In this matter, we must each avoid caricaturing the other’s position. Catholics do not and never have taught that we are saved by works. For Heaven’s sake, we baptize infants! We fought off the Pelagians. But neither do Protestants mean by “faith” a purely intellectual acceptance of the existence of God, as many Catholics think that they do.

What concerns us here is the detachment of faith from works that the phrase “faith alone” implies. Let me ask, what is faith without works? Can you point to it? Is it visible? Introduce me to someone who has real faith but no works. I don’t think one can be found. About the only example I can think of is a baptized infant, but that’s a Catholic thing! Most Baptists and Evangelicals who sing the solos reject infant baptism.

Hence it seems that faith alone is something of an abstraction. Faith is something that can only be separated from works in our minds. If faith is a transformative relationship with Jesus Christ, we cannot enter into that relationship while remaining unchanged. This change affects our behavior, our works. Even in the case of infants, it is possible to argue that they are changed and do have “works”; it’s just that they are not easily observed.

Scripture affirms that faith is never alone, that such a concept is an abstraction. Faith without works is dead (James 2:26). Faith without works is not faith at all because faith does not exist by itself; it is always present with and causes works through love. Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Hence faith works not alone but through love. Further, as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 13:2, if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

Hence faith alone is the null set. True faith is never alone; it bears the fruit of love and the works of holiness. Faith ignites love and works through it. Beware of the solo “faith alone” and ask where faith, all by itself, can be found.

Solo 2: Grace alone (sola gratia) – By its very nature grace changes us. Again, show me grace apart from works. Grace without works is an abstraction. It cannot be found apart from its effects. In our mind it may exist as an idea, but in reality, grace is never alone.

Grace builds on nature and transforms it. It engages the person who responds to its urges and gifts. If grace is real, it will have its effects and cannot be found alone or apart from works. It cannot be found apart from a real flesh-and-blood human who is manifesting its effects.

Solo 3: Scripture alone (sola Scriptura) – Beware those who say, “sola Scriptura!” This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture.

There are several problems with this.

First, Scripture as we know it (with the full New Testament) was not fully assembled and agreed upon until the 4th century.

It was Catholic bishops, in union with the Pope, who made the decision as to which books belonged in the Bible. The early Christians could not possibly have lived by sola scriptura because the Scriptures were not even fully written in the earliest years. And although collected and largely completed in written form by 100 AD, the set of books and letters that actually made up the New Testament was not agreed upon until the 4th century.

Second, until recently most people could not read.

Given this, it seems strange that God would make, as the sole rule of faith, a book that people had to read on their own. Even today, large numbers of people in the world cannot read well. Hence, Scripture was not necessarily a read text, but rather one that most people heard and experienced in and with the Church through her preaching, liturgy, art, architecture, stained glass, passion plays, and so forth.

Third, and most important, if all you have is a book, then that book needs to be interpreted accurately.

Without a valid and recognized interpreter, the book can serve to divide more than to unite. Is this not the experience of Protestantism, which now has tens of thousands of denominations all claiming to read the same Bible but interpreting it in rather different manners?

The problem is, if no one is Pope then everyone is Pope! Protestant “soloists” claim that anyone, alone with a Bible and the Holy Spirit, can authentically interpret Scripture. Well then, why does the Holy Spirit tell some people that baptism is necessary for salvation and others that it is not necessary? Why does the Holy Spirit tell some that the Eucharist really is Christ’s Body and Blood and others that it is only a symbol? Why does the Holy Spirit say to some Protestants, “Once saved, always saved” and to others, “No”?

So, it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.

Where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Hence Scripture is not to be read alone. It is a document of the Lord through the Church and must be read in the context of the Church and with the Church’s authoritative interpretation and Tradition. As this passage from Timothy says, the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The Bible is a Church book and thus is not meant to be read apart from the Church that received the authority to publish it from God Himself. Scripture is the most authoritative and precious document of the Church, but it emanates from the Church’s Tradition and must be understood in the light of it.

Thus, the problems of “singing solo” seem to boil down to the fact that if we separate what God has joined we end up with an abstraction, something that exists only in the mind but in reality, cannot be found alone.

Here is a brief video in which Fr. Robert Barron ponders the Protestant point of view that every baptized Christian has the right to authoritatively interpret the Word of God.sss


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; boatbums; metmom; Luircin; Mom MD
Again, you need to actually read this passage and apply your mind. It does not say this. It says prophecy originated in God and did not originate in private sources.

Sadly, most true, born again Christians don’t even understand it, even those like me, who at one time didn’t understand it either, and I am heavy into YOPIOS. 😁 Peter, VERY MUCH wanted the people to UNDERSTAND the scriptures. All Peter meant when he said it, was that no man, with two functioning brain cells, ever came along, and decided, all by himself, that he was going to take it upon himself, to write scripture. No way, no how. Scripture was inspired by God. If it was written, and not inspired by God, like the Book of Mormon, for instance, then it was NOT scripture. That goes for Buddha, Confucius, Mary Baker Eddy, Mohammed, and any other, among many false prophets.
To say that Peter was telling the people they could not interpret and understand scripture, is a misinterpretation of what he was actually saying. He very much wanted them to understand it.
My next point would be, if Roman Catholics actually believe this misinterpretation of what Peter actually said, why do many of them keep posting scripture on these threads, and give interpretations of it? They constantly engage in YOPIOS, which I always do, of course. 👍 I hope some dude doesn’t come on here, and try to tell me, that he is not interpreting scripture, he is just reading it, and telling me what it says. He will hear a loud cacophony of booing. 😁😇

641 posted on 06/10/2018 10:04:27 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The crying of imaginary infants being baptized echoes throughout you posts...

BUT YOU'VE YET TO PRODUCE ONE WET INFANT

Hey bro. I WAS a wet infant. My parents had me baptized (Sprinkled) into the Catholic Church, when I was an infant. The fact that I realized later, that I was a lost, unsaved, hell bound sinner, attests to the fact, that baptism didn’t take away ANY sins whatsoever. If I had died when I was a Roman Catholic, I would have gone straight to Hell. Now that I am an ex catholic, and I am heavy into YOPIOS, I understand the plan of salvation, perfectly, something I was completely blind to, when I was in the “one true church.”
Let me offer an opinion (only an opinion) I think the vast majority of people who wake up in the flames of Hell, 🔥 will be shocked. They had no idea they were going to Hell, and never expected to go there. I look at people all the time. None of them look like they are fearful of Hell, because they are oblivious to their lost, Hell bound condition. When they die, they will be in a world of hurt. 👎 Of course, I don’t know what percentage of people will go to Hell, but my OWN guess, is about 97%

642 posted on 06/10/2018 10:31:40 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: G Larry

Do NOT accuse anyone of lying.

Study guidelines for posting on the Religion Forum at my profile page BEFORE you post again on the RF.


643 posted on 06/10/2018 10:51:17 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: GBA; metmom

“Giving us free will makes things interesting.”

Chapter and verse, please.

According to the Bible (check Romans 6) we are slaves to sin. Where do people get the idea that the will is exempt from that?

Don’t confuse the ability to make choices with free will. Those choices will be made with a will which has been corrupted by sin and is therefore not free.

Even Christians still battle with the old sin nature, however much we would wish otherwise.

metmom, I’ve included you here as I’ve seen from your posts that you also question the idea of free will.


644 posted on 06/11/2018 12:17:05 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: ealgeone; boatbums; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212
I admit your question is irrelevant. The Spirit moved men to write the NT....unless you’re saying the Spirit just on his own decided to do this apart from the Son and Father.

+1. Truly an irrelevant question if there ever was one. In the past, I remember another irrelevant question, about a table of contents in the Bible. I, for one, don’t give a rat’s you know what, about stuff like that. 👎🇵🇭

645 posted on 06/11/2018 1:42:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Luircin; boatbums; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
Face it; your church body is an anti-church opposed to Christ.

That is a truism sir. I am embarrassed to admit that I was once a part of it.
Paging ex Catholics. 😁👍

646 posted on 06/11/2018 1:46:39 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: GBA

I wouldn’t equate God’s family with an earthly family. Stick to the scriptures where Christ says, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” Otherwise, you’ll have a poor sense of the love of God and what your salvation means to Him and to you.

The angels rejoice over one sinner coming to God.


647 posted on 06/11/2018 3:08:41 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: GBA
As to whether or not an infant is a sinner, the usual response seems to be Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned...” How an infant has sinned, I don’t know, but the quote says “all”. That’s not mysticism to me.

And Scripture also speaks of children not having done good or evil before they were born, (Romans 9:11) and of a times when a "child shall know to refuse the evil" (Isaiah 7:16) thus such cannot be culpable for sin before that time. Meaning "all have sinned" refers to those who are accountable beings, not infants at conception or before they are able to know right from wrong and choose btwn the two.

But at least here you are attempting to deal with a doctrinal issue based on what Scripture says, rather than appeal to mysticism in lieu of Scriptural substantiation.

648 posted on 06/11/2018 4:18:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ADSUM; MHGinTN
But Jesus says “even infants” can be “brought” to him. Even Baptists don’t claim their practice of “dedicating” babies does this.

Which was not by baptizing them, which He could have done if that was how they were to be brought to Him, but it was by physically bringing them to Him to lay hands on them to be blessed. (Matthew 19:

And presenting infants to the Lord in dedicating them is what is Scriptural. (1 Samuel 1:25) Joseph and Mary did so, ad Simeon "took he him up in his arms, and blessed God..." (Luke 2:28) And the sacrifice offered as part of this was for the women to "make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood." (Leviticus 12:7) not the infant. 14)

The fact is, the Bible gives us no way of bringing anyone to Jesus apart from baptism.

Once again your "fact" is fallacious, for baptism is nowhere shown to be how infants are brought to Christ as you assert, and instead wholehearted repentant faith is the stated requirements for baptism, (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) which infants need and cannot provide.

In addition, it is faith which baptism requires and expresses which appropriates forgiveness in the washing of regeneration, as Peter makes clear.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (Acts 10:43-44)

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:47)

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)

Which account is interpretive of Acts 2:38, in which the promise is made of the washing of regeneration if they will be baptized in repentant faith, since baptism testifies to that faith.

For such convicted and contrite souls to be baptized was to believe,which is what effects purifying of the heart, likewise for the paralytic in Mark 2 to be forgiven was to walk, with the command to walk being used for "be forgiven," since the latter effects the former, and in that order.

Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. (Mark 2:9-11)

It is not the action that effects the forgiveness, but the latter effects the action and testifies to forgiveness, and thus as in Acts 2:38 a promise of forgiveness can be made if one will do the action, which requires faith.

649 posted on 06/11/2018 5:02:48 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: GBA
Just out of curiosity, Catholic traditions and Orthodox traditions seem to be similar to my untrained eye.

Actually there are substantial irreconcilable differences . .

I’m not taking sides, just wondering why you single out the Catholics?

Because they are the ones usually posting about their church, and as here, attacking Prots, and Rome is the most manifest deformation of the NT church , and more so than the Orthodox. But who also attack each other.

650 posted on 06/11/2018 5:07:44 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

LOL!!!!!!


651 posted on 06/11/2018 6:18:04 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Diapason

Thanks.

*will* we have.

*free*? Not so much.


652 posted on 06/11/2018 6:21:48 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Mark17

“Hey bro. I WAS a wet infant”

Yes, but you were not in the NT. :-)


653 posted on 06/11/2018 6:54:15 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Diapason
Chapter and verse? Sorry, that’s just my opinion based upon experience, study and observation.

Denying the existence of God given free will is your choice, but my guess is that choice is probably not solely your own original idea.

To me, human free will is a major underlying theme of the Bible and taming our will, often through sacrifice and fasting, for two examples, is one of our major challenges, if not the major challenge, on the path to Heaven.

An example of free will is how Jesus never stops knocking at our door, but we have to choose to open it.

He never forces you or makes you do anything. You can resist Him until the end, if you want to. You can even take your own life in spite of His pleading with you. All your choice thanks to free will.

If there is no free will, then what is the point of life for either our Creator or for us, His Creation?

Free will is found in that pause between stimulus and response where we get to choose what our response will be.

It is in that moment between stimulus and response that our destiny is decided, choice by choice.

Our free will is one of the incredible powers that our Creator gave us, along with the power to transform our thoughts into physical reality, that we often seem to take for granted.

Shake that off. Life’s too short for that, and Satan is far too tricky to not take advantage of such opportunities.

654 posted on 06/11/2018 8:13:53 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: daniel1212
Just out of curiosity, when you talk about Catholics attacking Prots and the Orthodox attacking, too, who also attack each other, who do you think is inspiring these attacks and the defending attacks?

Is it Jesus?

Is it His Holy Spirit?

Is it the Father?

Is it Mother Mary or Saint Michael?

Who or what is is getting you to divide into groups and fight with each other, turning potential friends into irreconcilable enemies???

Who wins when you fight with each other about the God of Peace?

Moreover, what are the historical results over time of your fighting?

Still just the one Jesus, right? But now how many churches, faiths, denominations, etc. have we sliced and diced Him into?

In His Name, is any of this His idea? Does He want us at each other like this?

Rhetorically speaking, do you ever stop and ask your self stuff like that?

I’m slowly learning to, with both religion and politics, but it’s not easy.

Satan’s malware is all over my programming, but doing stuff like the above is helping me to spot it before it activates.

655 posted on 06/11/2018 8:37:19 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: HarleyD
You’re right. My specific confusion was the Source of our undeserved Grace, that Grace is from the Son, not the Father. My mistake.

Regarding “falling from Grace” true or false, or whether or not I, too, am saved... still working on it.

My general opinion after reading the material has been that, the Father will let us go, giving us over to our own delusions if we’re stubborn enough about our truth outranking His.

Jesus, on the other hand, never stops knocking on our door. He never gives up on us, no matter what we’re doing wrong.

The Trinitarian thing gets confusing.

656 posted on 06/11/2018 8:56:47 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: Manly Warrior

I am the true son of my father, I am a quipster.

Having said that, I don’t quite understand portions of your response. I understand by grace alone are we saved. You then said, “by FAITH (trust, belief in, and continual adherence to_-and this is not from yourselves, it is a GIFT (underserved, unearned favor of God, not by WORKS (effort to achieve God’s acceptance), so that no one can boast ‘. Your quotation is wrong. It does not remotely approach Eph 2:5; it more closely resembles Eph 2:8 but that starts out “for by grace you have been saved through faith.” (RSV 1946) In that same chapter, verse 10, it states: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.) So I am unsure of the point you are making.

And what about all the passages in the Bible indicating we will be judged by our deeds on the day of Judgment?

See, e.g., 8 Kgs 39 “You who alone know the hearts of all men, render to each one of them according to his conduct… .”
Jer 17:10 “I, the Lord, alone probe the mind and test the heard to reward everyone according to his ways, according to the merit of his deeds.”
Jn 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, because the hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.”
Mt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”
And of course, Mt 25:31ff (the sheep and the goats)
Rom 2:6 God “will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.” See also v. 10.
2 Cor 5:10 “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.”
See also Ps 18:21-25.
Prv 10: 2(virtue saves from death) 12 (love covers all offenses) 11: 4 (virtue saves from death)


657 posted on 06/11/2018 9:04:19 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: GBA

I sense part of the problem is “reading the material”. What material??? There is a lot of garbage out there these days about people sprewing out fake and phony doctrine. While this might sound a bit harsh, I would refer people to the Apostle Paul who, in 2 Timothy warns us about such things.

I would suggest reading and understanding the book of John. John tells us he wrote “these things” so that you might believe in the Son of God and believing you might have life. I can think of no better author.


658 posted on 06/11/2018 9:18:14 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
By “reading the material” I was referring to: The Bible, though I do supplement by reading other things.

Still not sure which or whose version of the Bible to read, but that’s the source I was referring to regarding my confusion about the Father and the Son.

It’s taken me a while to separate them in the OT as the Trinitarian identities confuse me.

As an aside, I think Jesus has a tough job, the hardest that’s ever been, and, from an engineering standpoint, I sometimes wonder about the functional purpose of Satan in the Grand Plan, given how he roams about everywhere, but has to ask permission to harm us.

The Grand Plan is so intricate and so interwoven and all flowing along in perpetual motion as his Laws and creations interact and balance that I can’t stop thinking about it and its Creator.

I tend to confuse myself fairly easily when in that zone. Thanks for the help!

659 posted on 06/11/2018 9:40:12 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

Jesus told Phillip (John 14) that if he had seen Jesus he had seen The Father, for He is in The Father and The Father is in Him. All a human can see of The Father is where The Father intersects our spacetime limits well. God told us before Jesus was made flesh and dwelt among us that the name for Jesus is God with us, ‘Emanuel’.


660 posted on 06/11/2018 9:44:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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