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To: HarleyD
By “reading the material” I was referring to: The Bible, though I do supplement by reading other things.

Still not sure which or whose version of the Bible to read, but that’s the source I was referring to regarding my confusion about the Father and the Son.

It’s taken me a while to separate them in the OT as the Trinitarian identities confuse me.

As an aside, I think Jesus has a tough job, the hardest that’s ever been, and, from an engineering standpoint, I sometimes wonder about the functional purpose of Satan in the Grand Plan, given how he roams about everywhere, but has to ask permission to harm us.

The Grand Plan is so intricate and so interwoven and all flowing along in perpetual motion as his Laws and creations interact and balance that I can’t stop thinking about it and its Creator.

I tend to confuse myself fairly easily when in that zone. Thanks for the help!

659 posted on 06/11/2018 9:40:12 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA
The Tinititarian confuses everyone. The Trinity is one of the odd things in scripture that confirms the scripture to be true. It isn't something that normal man writing up a story would make up as it's not explainable. I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axle on it as no one fully understand it. It is revealed. It is not explained.

I prefer to think of the Trinity as consuming fire (which, btw, is how God describes Himself). A fire may burn over a large area. Within that area, there may be pockets in which a fire burns separately from the overall fire, such as a tree or a house. I think of God the Father as the overall fire and Christ as part of that fire (as well as the Holy Spirit). But the trouble with analogies is that one can pick it apart until the cows come home especially on the Trinity. So I'm not going to try to defend this analogy. Only offer a suggestion on a way to think about it.

Versions of the Bible are not that important as long as you get a translation-not a paraphrase. There are a number of on-line sources such as Blue Letter Bible or Bible Gateway that will give you multiple translations along with commentaries. They often provide the Greek and Hebrew words so a diligent student knows exactly what word was used. There isn't much excuse for people to not know the word of God unless they simply don't care.

661 posted on 06/11/2018 11:41:27 AM PDT by HarleyD
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