Posted on 05/23/2018 10:19:09 PM PDT by Cronos
Evangelicals, we can no longer say sexual misconduct is just a Roman Catholic problem. At one of our seminaries, controversy has centered on a president (now former president) whose sermon illustration from years ago included advice that a battered wife remain in the home and the marriage in hope of the conversion of her abusive husband. Other comments represented the objectification of a teenage girl. The issues only grew more urgent with the sense that the dated statements represented ongoing advice and counsel.
..We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem.
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When people said that evangelicals had a similar crisis coming, it didnt seem plausibleeven to me. I have been president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for 25 years. I did not see this coming.
..We cannot blame a requirement of priestly celibacy. We cannot even point to an organized conspiracy of silence within the denominational hierarchy. No, our humiliation comes as a result of an unorganized conspiracy of silence. Sadly, the unorganized nature of our problem may make recovery and correction even more difficult and the silence even more dangerous.
...This is just a foretaste of the wrath of God poured out. This moment requires the very best of us. The Southern Baptist Convention is on trial, and our public credibility is at stake. May God have mercy on us all.
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Again, you read too much, I posted the article as I said above because it shows Mohler tacking an issue head on
Again, you read too much, I posted the article as I said above because it shows Mohler tacking an issue head on
You are a RC with a history of verbose attacks on evangelicals, and there was no manifest reason we should not assume this was another, that of the cat calling the kettle black. As said, you are the one defending a church, and throwing stones from a glass house..
Then tell that to your comrades, none of whom ever denied a "generic "Protestantism" in all my years with them, but whom refer to Protestantism as just that, a one-size fits all. And you never showed any reason why I should not assume you did not subscribe to that convenient broadbrush in order to engage in the RC favorite pastime of attacking Protestantism, whatever that may include.
Why else would you post the article? Are you now concerned about Baptist losing moral capital?
Secondly, these are human failings, not theological questions - I see no reason why the points raised by Mr Mohler have an impact on the SBC's Christology
All moral acts flow from belief, and which is not restricted to Christology, and morality and church discipline are doctrinal issues.
Sheesh. You think that you, a baptist, or a lutehran or a Methodist or Anglican or Jehovah's Witness or Pentecostal or whatever speak the same?
All of you have individual beliefs.
"Baptists" losing moral capital - just a the term "Protestant" is a broad brush, there are lots of groups who call themselves Baptists whose belief systems and morals diverge considerably. This is as there is no central theme of belief. Just as Oneness Pentecostals, who say the Trinity is false, are indubitably pentecostals (as they hold to "only bible" and "only grace"), so too the umbrella term is too broad in the absence of a standardized dogma.
The origin of the General Baptists is connected with the name of John Smyth (d. 1612), pastor of a church at Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, which had separated from the Church of England. About 1606, pastor and flock, to escape persecution, emigrated to Amsterdam, where they formed the second English congregation. In 1609, Smyth, owing possibly in some measure to Mennonite influence, rejected infant baptism, although he retained affusion. In this he was supported by his church
Some members of the congregation returned to England (1611 or 1612) under the leadership of Helwys (c. 1550-1616) and formed in London the nucleus of the first Baptist community.
It was between 1640 and 1660 that the General Baptists began to claim that immersion was the only valid mode of baptism. They were persecuted by Charles II (1660-85); but the Act of Toleration (1689) brought relief and recognized the Baptists as the third dissenting denomination (Presbyterians, Independents, and Baptists). In the eighteenth century, Anti-Trinitarian ideas spread among the General Baptists, and by 1750, many, perhaps the majority of them, had become Unitarians.
So you talking about "Baptists losing their morals" is difficult to agree or disagree with considering the amorphous and evolving description of this decentralized group terminology
If this guy didnt see this coming then he aint paying attention
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